News Article: Jeremy White's rant

[Pi]

Pretty sure it was Provorov, but the plan was to move down and collect assets to either Philly or Blue Jackets I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, if Marner wasn't there we were picking a D at 8. Leafs were certain that one of Provorv and Werenski would be there.

I don't think the Leafs had any interest in Hanifin though. They were going Marner, Provorov or Werenski.

 

[BlueBaron]

From what I remember, the trade down scenerio was for Werenski

Didn't that also include a couple 2nd round picks too? Was this offered or was it something we were hoping to manufacture? I have to think if we don't trade down and miss on Marner we would have drafted Hanifin.

 

[moon111]

In fairness, there were no riots.

 

[Slot]

I think you have to add Edmonton to the annoying little brother club.

The Western Cities are all irrationally hostile to Toronto the city. This is a historical thing stemming from our traditional political and economic dominance. Elections are decided before they are done voting so they have always felt marginalized and overlooked which has lead to numerous political movements like the Reform party and the Social Credit. Toronto is the biggest city in the Country and Ontario the largest and historically the richest province. The Oil boom out west did not last long enough for them to gain any political ground on the country. So you have a culture of resentment before sports ever entered the conversation.

Now when we move on to Hockey we have the largest market, the richest team, we dominate national media coverage and we have a fan base larger than all of them combined. We invade their home games when we come to their town because there are Leaf fans in good number all across both countries (but Canada in particular) so there is always a presence.

Buffalo actually suffers more from Leaf fan invasions because it's so close and we are always plotting of ways to steal their football team. The last try in particular seems to have touched a nerve. They already have enough problems with being overshadowed due to their proximity to New York City. How do they feel when there are more Leaf fans than Sabres fans at their home games?

Now add to all this the HF element.

I would guess we make up 40%+ of the fans here. So we have about 10 times more idiots than any other fan base and people who lack self control. We dominate any thread that interests us, many of our fans over rate everything to do with the Leafs and cannot pass up a chance to boast.

Even now we have fans saying we have all but beat Washington and Matthews is better than McDavid, things that would not be well received coming from any team let alone us.

Kapanen scores and we have a thread about if our 4rth line is the best.

Someone is rumoured to be on the trade market and we flood the proposal threads with stupid offers.

Often the valuations of our players that are presented to outsiders are foolish and delusional and we have a history of overvaluing our prospects.

Now these things in and of themselves are harmless but add them all up and add the sheer volume and it can often be overwhelming and outright annoying to other fans.

In our defense we have had pretty good valuations on our trade deadline returns the last few years and our rookies have all lived up to the hype. We won the lottery and got St Matthews who exceeded the insane expectations we gave him. Heck our team even did way better than most of us thought it would sneaking into the playoffs when the experts said we would be fighting for last. Now we are making the Caps nervous.

Our rivals loved us being down and out because we were easy to kick around, but when we look at our list of annoying little brothers a lot of them are having tough times while we are having the miracle year. Vancouver, Winnipeg and Buffalo are in the outside looking in while we wonder if we'll get to the 2nd round and how much better our kids will be next year.

Auston alone with his 4 goal first game, 40 goal season and Calder trophy(probably) is the last thing you want to see happen to us on a youth obsessed forum like this, not to mention Marner, Nylander, Zaitsev, Brown (who they all told us was garbage) and now Kapanen.

We are enjoying a perfect storm and that is very frustrating to the people who desperately only want bad things to happen to us because that is the source of their happiness. It's hard to feel bad for them but it would be nice if some of our fans could be more diplomatic, less prone to "tell us how great we are" threads and were a little less cocky. At this point though, it is hard to feel sorry for them.

Nothing is more frustrating than when someone you hate or find very annoying seems to get every break which is the wave we are riding right now.

On a side note I think that radio guy is involved in the Matthews vs Eichel thread

Now this is an epic rant. And bang on correct too. Much more coherent than that insane, jealous drivel spewed by Jeremy White.

 

[TheProspector]

Ristolainen is good. I think he just looks worst than he is because that team sucks so much. If he was on the Leafs under Babs, he'd look a lot better.

I actually think he's underrated. I like him more than Dougie Hamilton, for example. Like I said, he's just on a crappier situation.

No, he's awful. Powerplay specialist, and nothing more.

 

[Cleetus]

We got Dart guy too take that buffalo lol

 

[deletethis]

It's almost like Buffalo is an honorary Canadian city.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm not really a fan of the little brother description, Vancouver is the worst though. It's almost entirely a one sided rivalry.

Thought you need to be at the same level to be consider rivals!

 

[Gabriel426]

Apparently some Vancouver radio show host visited Toronto for game 3 and said there was absolutely no playoff atmosphere in Toronto.

There was no sign of the Leafs playing in downtown, a few blocks away from the ACC? LOL

I guess Leafs fans didn't riot after Game 3 must be a surprise to them.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think you have to add Edmonton to the annoying little brother club.

The Western Cities are all irrationally hostile to Toronto the city. This is a historical thing stemming from our traditional political and economic dominance. Elections are decided before they are done voting so they have always felt marginalized and overlooked which has lead to numerous political movements like the Reform party and the Social Credit. Toronto is the biggest city in the Country and Ontario the largest and historically the richest province. The Oil boom out west did not last long enough for them to gain any political ground on the country. So you have a culture of resentment before sports ever entered the conversation.

Now when we move on to Hockey we have the largest market, the richest team, we dominate national media coverage and we have a fan base larger than all of them combined. We invade their home games when we come to their town because there are Leaf fans in good number all across both countries (but Canada in particular) so there is always a presence.

Buffalo actually suffers more from Leaf fan invasions because it's so close and we are always plotting of ways to steal their football team. The last try in particular seems to have touched a nerve. They already have enough problems with being overshadowed due to their proximity to New York City. How do they feel when there are more Leaf fans than Sabres fans at their home games?

Now add to all this the HF element.

I would guess we make up 40%+ of the fans here. So we have about 10 times more idiots than any other fan base and people who lack self control. We dominate any thread that interests us, many of our fans over rate everything to do with the Leafs and cannot pass up a chance to boast.

Even now we have fans saying we have all but beat Washington and Matthews is better than McDavid, things that would not be well received coming from any team let alone us.

Kapanen scores and we have a thread about if our 4rth line is the best.

Someone is rumoured to be on the trade market and we flood the proposal threads with stupid offers.

Often the valuations of our players that are presented to outsiders are foolish and delusional and we have a history of overvaluing our prospects.

Now these things in and of themselves are harmless but add them all up and add the sheer volume and it can often be overwhelming and outright annoying to other fans.

In our defense we have had pretty good valuations on our trade deadline returns the last few years and our rookies have all lived up to the hype. We won the lottery and got St Matthews who exceeded the insane expectations we gave him. Heck our team even did way better than most of us thought it would sneaking into the playoffs when the experts said we would be fighting for last. Now we are making the Caps nervous.

Our rivals loved us being down and out because we were easy to kick around, but when we look at our list of annoying little brothers a lot of them are having tough times while we are having the miracle year. Vancouver, Winnipeg and Buffalo are in the outside looking in while we wonder if we'll get to the 2nd round and how much better our kids will be next year.

Auston alone with his 4 goal first game, 40 goal season and Calder trophy(probably) is the last thing you want to see happen to us on a youth obsessed forum like this, not to mention Marner, Nylander, Zaitsev, Brown (who they all told us was garbage) and now Kapanen.

We are enjoying a perfect storm and that is very frustrating to the people who desperately only want bad things to happen to us because that is the source of their happiness. It's hard to feel bad for them but it would be nice if some of our fans could be more diplomatic, less prone to "tell us how great we are" threads and were a little less cocky. At this point though, it is hard to feel sorry for them.

Nothing is more frustrating than when someone you hate or find very annoying seems to get every break which is the wave we are riding right now.

On a side note I think that radio guy is involved in the Matthews vs Eichel thread

Probably the best post I read on this forum.

I was saying on another thread about why Oilers fans hate us, is mainly bc TSN and Sportsnet are based in TO, and most medias live in to thus their target audience are Leafs fans. That's why other fan bases in Canada hate us with a passion.

The thing is people who hate the Leafs are mostly jealous of the Leafs success. Drafting Matthews was lucky, Marner winning everything in his draft +1 yr and translating that to the NHL was also luck, but what they seems to ignore is the development of Willie, Brown and Kapanen. Leafs didn't call Willie or Brown up when the team was losing big time, Shanny might want to tank for McDavid and then Matthews but to me they want the boys to be more than ready when they get the call. Look at Leivo, Sosh, Carrick, And even the Goat, when Babs put them in the lineup, they all showed that they can hold their own. Beside Zaitlev, Matthews and Marner, all the rookies the Leafs used sofar had spent time with the Marlies and you get a sense that none of them were rushed into the lineup. The only young player that Babs used who seem to struggle is Corrado, but he never spent time with the Marlies beside condition stint. Can other teams have the patient to do that?
That's something that cannot go unnoticed. It is also I am really looking forward to when Dermott, Neilsen and other Dmen start making the team.
You look at Buffalo and it is easy to understand that the moment they drafted Eichel, they want to push for playoffs and start winning, they want to be where the Leafs are now but last season. Knowing that they will get either McDavid or Eichel, they planned ahead to compete right away with the Kane trade. They traded for a #1 goalie, traded for ROR, over paying for UFAs and want to compete. Then you look at the Leafs, they have done nothing to really speed up the rebuild after winning the lottery. The only UFA they signed were Martin for protection and Polak-returning UFA. They traded for Andersen but that's bc they have no goalie. Even then, you get a sense that the MGT is not speeding up the rebuild, rather they are just gathering the pieces.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Drivel. Haters can take a lap.

 

[Leafidelity]

I think you have to add Edmonton to the annoying little brother club.

The Western Cities are all irrationally hostile to Toronto the city. This is a historical thing stemming from our traditional political and economic dominance. Elections are decided before they are done voting so they have always felt marginalized and overlooked which has lead to numerous political movements like the Reform party and the Social Credit. Toronto is the biggest city in the Country and Ontario the largest and historically the richest province. The Oil boom out west did not last long enough for them to gain any political ground on the country. So you have a culture of resentment before sports ever entered the conversation.

Now when we move on to Hockey we have the largest market, the richest team, we dominate national media coverage and we have a fan base larger than all of them combined. We invade their home games when we come to their town because there are Leaf fans in good number all across both countries (but Canada in particular) so there is always a presence.

Buffalo actually suffers more from Leaf fan invasions because it's so close and we are always plotting of ways to steal their football team. The last try in particular seems to have touched a nerve. They already have enough problems with being overshadowed due to their proximity to New York City. How do they feel when there are more Leaf fans than Sabres fans at their home games?

Now add to all this the HF element.

I would guess we make up 40%+ of the fans here. So we have about 10 times more idiots than any other fan base and people who lack self control. We dominate any thread that interests us, many of our fans over rate everything to do with the Leafs and cannot pass up a chance to boast.

Even now we have fans saying we have all but beat Washington and Matthews is better than McDavid, things that would not be well received coming from any team let alone us.

Kapanen scores and we have a thread about if our 4rth line is the best.

Someone is rumoured to be on the trade market and we flood the proposal threads with stupid offers.

Often the valuations of our players that are presented to outsiders are foolish and delusional and we have a history of overvaluing our prospects.

Now these things in and of themselves are harmless but add them all up and add the sheer volume and it can often be overwhelming and outright annoying to other fans.

In our defense we have had pretty good valuations on our trade deadline returns the last few years and our rookies have all lived up to the hype. We won the lottery and got St Matthews who exceeded the insane expectations we gave him. Heck our team even did way better than most of us thought it would sneaking into the playoffs when the experts said we would be fighting for last. Now we are making the Caps nervous.

Our rivals loved us being down and out because we were easy to kick around, but when we look at our list of annoying little brothers a lot of them are having tough times while we are having the miracle year. Vancouver, Winnipeg and Buffalo are in the outside looking in while we wonder if we'll get to the 2nd round and how much better our kids will be next year.

Auston alone with his 4 goal first game, 40 goal season and Calder trophy(probably) is the last thing you want to see happen to us on a youth obsessed forum like this, not to mention Marner, Nylander, Zaitsev, Brown (who they all told us was garbage) and now Kapanen.

We are enjoying a perfect storm and that is very frustrating to the people who desperately only want bad things to happen to us because that is the source of their happiness. It's hard to feel bad for them but it would be nice if some of our fans could be more diplomatic, less prone to "tell us how great we are" threads and were a little less cocky. At this point though, it is hard to feel sorry for them.

Nothing is more frustrating than when someone you hate or find very annoying seems to get every break which is the wave we are riding right now.

On a side note I think that radio guy is involved in the Matthews vs Eichel thread

This is all true. Every bit. I'd like to also point to that fact that our 10x more fools do so so much damage to the public image of the vast majority of regular people here. They are everywhere. I often lurk other teams forums, and not much makes me cringe more than a "Leafs fan here" or "Leafs fan coming in peace". The Capitals GDTs have been flooded by them - and nobody cares about your opinion after an emotional loss. If they don't outright hate us yet, they will by the end of this series.

 

[Harold Ballard]

I think there just really passionate about Vancouver, coupled with a few nasty games against them.

They literally trashed the city after they lost in the finals. I hate Vancouver canucks with a passion aswell, especially since the whole Burrows-Kessel fiasco.

Nope....they REALLY hate ppl from TO....They think we think we're "the centre of the universe.."
I hate it here..

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

This is all true. Every bit. I'd like to also point to that fact that our 10x more fools do so so much damage to the public image of the vast majority of regular people here. They are everywhere. I often lurk other teams forums, and not much makes me cringe more than a "Leafs fan here" or "Leafs fan coming in peace". The Capitals GDTs have been flooded by them - and nobody cares about your opinion after an emotional loss. If they don't outright hate us yet, they will by the end of this series.

There also seems to be quite a few new accounts that appear to just be parodies of obnoxious Leaf fans.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

There also seems to be quite a few new accounts that appear to just be parodies of obnoxious Leaf fans.

I've noticed that too. Especially on the Trade board. Start a thread with a ridiculous proposal and then just let the thread burn with posts like "lol typical Leafs fans."

 

[93LEAFS]

This is all true. Every bit. I'd like to also point to that fact that our 10x more fools do so so much damage to the public image of the vast majority of regular people here. They are everywhere. I often lurk other teams forums, and not much makes me cringe more than a "Leafs fan here" or "Leafs fan coming in peace". The Capitals GDTs have been flooded by them - and nobody cares about your opinion after an emotional loss. If they don't outright hate us yet, they will by the end of this series.

Agreed. I have posted in a couple other teams boards over the year but generally, avoid them. If you are going to post in another fan bases forum, realize it is their home territory and treat them with respect you would expect on your own home board.

Usually, it is only to say something positive about a teams prospect I happen to be watching, or I accidently go there because of the thread feeder on the side.

 

[Ratboy]

to be fair, the guy does live in Buffalo.

 

[The Iceman]

THEY’RE ANTI-TANKERS HAVE PROBABLY SHUT UP!!

he needs to get a better grasp of the English language

 

[BlueBaron]

THEY’RE ANTI-TANKERS HAVE PROBABLY SHUT UP!!

he needs to get a better grasp of the English language

That was a pretty bizarre statement. What were the anti tankers supposed to do? Complain all year about getting Auston? Go to Buffalo and declare themselves Sabres fans because they build a team right? It is amazing someone pays this guy to interact with the public.

 

[Jack Bauer]

The team in a rebuild thought it was a good idea to introduce Evander Kane to the mix.

Their GM takes a temper tantrum every time the draft lottery does not go his way.

Outside of adding O'Rielly and obviously drafting Eichel they might be the worst franchise in the NHL. The fact that they're so jealous of us already is pretty frigging funny considering how far Tim Murray has had his chest out before some of those ping pong balls not going his way.

 

[Stephen]

Bogosian, Kane, Lehner etc. are not finishing pieces, they're recyclables left out on the curb from someone else's hangover of a rebuild.

 

[Raym11]

All these teams have "rivals" with us that are one-way and fueled off hate for the city of Toronto and the media coverage.

Their fans have convinced themselves that we're trying to hog the spotlight though, while doing so they've managed to make us more important by having this ever lasting grudge and just about everything they do sports related has to revolve around comparing to us.



At the same time, we were in the exact situation as Buffalo with NO FUTURE while they have one, for the better part of a decade. Overpaid players, Jeff Fingers, Jason Blakes, Clarksons, Luke Schenn was our bluechip prospect. All they did was laugh at us, jokes for days all over forums.

If they really didnt care about us, maybe every other post a fan of their teams made wouldn't involve us. All i see is envy. Random remarks completely off-topic or nothing to do with the Leafs, end up turning into the Leafs as soon as anyone with a Maple Leafs avatar posts somewhere lol. "you're a leafs fan _____ you suck/you're wrong!"

 

[Stephen]

Tim Murray's personality has also unfortunately mirrored or shaped the entire Sabres fanbase and team culture to one of being sore losers, petulant, entitled.

 

[highslot]

On the one hand, this seems like a bit of an overreaction seeing how the Sabres aren't really as bad as this year's standings would suggest (IMO) and they'll surely continue to improve barring some mismanagement.

On the other hand I can imagine it'd be frustrating watching a division rival get as lucky as we have. Not to discredit management or anything, but we won the lottery, weren't really considered a frontrunner for Babcock (at least not ahead of the Red Wings and Sabres), got Marner at 4th overall, Nylander at 8th, signed Zaitsev, etc....

If things played out just a little bit differently, we could be looking at a core of Strome, Virtanen, Laine (or maybe even Puljujarvi or DuBois) with Guy Boucher coaching, while the Sabres could've had McDavid and Babcock.

that's called smart drafting. buffalo could have drafted nylander, tried to sign zaitsev etc. on our side, we could have also tried to sign panarin as well, so that could be considrered bad luck.

also with a little more luck we could have had macdavid. lastly, babcock wasn't lucky, it was smart politics.

bottom line, buffalo made their choices.

 

[Rick74*]

"the stupid Leafs are stupid"

Be thankful fella, these "stupid Leafs" and their "stupid fans" help pay for your team to remain in Buffalo.

So relax, Toronto Lite...you will see better days.