Jeremy Roenick Or John Tavares

[Tad Mikowsky]

Very proud of you for once. You just might be figuring things out.

Sorry, you missed my point:

Your reasoning is awful because you don’t even have reasoning.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I watched him for his entire career and was the first person to predict he would have a stellar NHL career. He was given a lot of extra hype based on his passport. If he was Canadian he would be heavily vilified.

That said he just wasn't as good of a player.

Again: provide a reason.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Again: provide a reason.

Providing reasons is difficult. Simply re-stating an opinion is much easier.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Providing reasons is difficult. Simply re-stating an opinion is much easier.

But he’s watched both play

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

But he’s watched both play

I wonder what Roenick's P1/60 was. Too bad they didn't keep track of that back in the 90s. Would have loved to evaluate who was better between him and Rob Zamuner since it would be way too easy to just compare their actual production.

 

[Leafsrock95]

Tavares

Roenik never finished 2nd in scoring or nominated for a hart.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

Roenick is a beast in NHL 94, where Tavares is slow in the EA games. Roenick easily if I had to choose.

 

[Suxnet]

Tavares has been overrated his entire career ever since he got drafted. And I'm not just saying this just because he's a Leaf now. He never lived up to the hype based off his junior career and quickly became a media darling due to being a star playing for a poorly run Islanders team.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I take it you don't really know how good Roenick was? Guy was a POS, but a damn good player who did more things than Tavares ever did.

Just not score consistently, or stay out of the box

 

[Pyrophorus]

Tavares has been overrated his entire career ever since he got drafted. And I'm not just saying this just because he's a Leaf now. He never lived up to the hype based off his junior career and quickly became a media darling due to being a star playing for a poorly run Islanders team.

Maybe the last part is the key.
No offense, but Marner, can't be compared to MMoulson or Lee.
Now that JT is with someone, with his pedigree he's realizing his potential.

 

[Ivan13]

Just not score consistently, or stay out of the box

Cool. Really insightful.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Maybe the last part is the key.
No offense, but Marner, can't be compared to MMoulson or Lee.
Now that JT is with someone, with his pedigree he's realizing his potential.

So Moulson and Lee were holding him back by 2 points? Because Tavares' went from a career high of 86 points in New York to a career high of 88 points in Toronto.

You make it sound like he jumped into the 100 point range now with a better supporting cast.

 

[Hawkaholic]

JR, easy.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I think they impacted the game about the same.

Usually I'd refrain from voting in these polls when I find players to be equal, but I voted Tavares to even it out, and piss people off.


I don't get how anyone could say one was CLEARLY better than the other. It's not like we're comparing Sakic to Buchburger.

 

[Pyrophorus]

So Moulson and Lee were holding him back by 2 points? Because Tavares' went from a career high of 86 points in New York to a career high of 88 points in Toronto.

You make it sound like he jumped into the 100 point range now with a better supporting cast.

In goals, he crushed his previous totals.
The seasons where he scored 66 and 70...ok I'll blame Moulson more.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

In goals, he crushed his previous totals.

Since "on pace" seems to be popular on here when discussing certain players, then it should also be pointed out that Tavares was "on pace" for like 47 or 48 goals during the 2013 season when he scored 28 goals in 48 games. So technically, you're right. He beat his *actual* career high by quite a bit. But he'd shown he could pace for what he got last year even in NY.

I just think that when people start talking about "now we see his full potential" or whatever, then he should be demolishing his previous production in all categories, not just one specific stat while his point totals remain pretty much the same.

 

[Iapyi]

Roenick is a beast in NHL 94, where Tavares is slow in the EA games. Roenick easily if I had to choose.

Interesting in that this is the type of "reasoning" that so many posters on this board use.

 

[bauer]

Tavares

Roenik never finished 2nd in scoring or nominated for a hart.

what a dumb comment. he played in an era that had Gretzky and Lemieux. two of the top 3 players in the history of the game.

 

[boredmale]

Maybe the last part is the key.
No offense, but Marner, can't be compared to MMoulson or Lee.
Now that JT is with someone, with his pedigree he's realizing his potential.

Other than a couple seasons where Tavares finished top 10 in scoring he generally finished top 11-20. He finished 16th this year

 

[boredmale]

what a dumb comment. he played in an era that had Gretzky and Lemieux. two of the top 3 players in the history of the game.

I checked it out Roenick top seeding for scoring was 6th and that was a season Lemieux was injured.

If you are going on 1 season Tavares beats Roenick, if you are going on a string of 5 seasons Reonick beats Tavares, now in terms of career Roenick's career seemed to take a dive in his late 20s so Tavares should beat him in that regard

The seasons where he scored 66 and 70...ok I'll blame Moulson more.

For all of Moulson's faults like he was a terrible skater and not so great defensively, he had an uncanny ability to get into tough spots and redirect pucks into the net

 

[Leafsrock95]

what a dumb comment. he played in an era that had Gretzky and Lemieux. two of the top 3 players in the history of the game.

And Tavares didn’t?

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Roenick easily.

 

[KevinRedkey]

At no point did I ever feel like Roenick was a top-5 forward in the NHL. I think Tavares was for 2yrs in his career, so I'll vote for him.

Pretty close though.

Note:
Even if you exclude Lemieux and Gretzky, Tavares had better Hart finishes.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Roenick for me.
Both great players.

JR was one of the most exciting players in the NHL.

 

[pcruz]

At least everyone can “heard” when John Tavares speaks. Same can’t be said about good old JR.