Player Discussion Jay Beagle

[MS]

I predict that Beagle will be far worse than everyone is expecting, and we will want to buy him out after his first season but be unable to because of his asinine bonus-laden contract.

Same.

And it will be amusing to see the pro-Benning/anti-Gaunce crowd try to spin it when this guy shows himself to be an old, softer Gaunce at 5x the price.

 

[Cupless44]

Same.

And it will be amusing to see the pro-Benning/anti-Gaunce crowd try to spin it when this guy shows himself to be an old, softer Gaunce at 5x the price.

Not sure where the tough player Beagle thing comes from. He had 16 PIMs last year and doesn’t hit that much.

 

[MS]

Not sure where the tough player Beagle thing comes from. He had 16 PIMs last year and doesn’t hit that much.

I don't know either but he's being sold as 'making us tougher and grittier' and 'protecting the kids'. And it's absurd.

He has no physical game at all. He's a big, slowish, high-IQ/low-event, positional defensive center.

He's had 1 fight in his career and got knocked unconscious.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Same.

And it will be amusing to see the pro-Benning/anti-Gaunce crowd try to spin it when this guy shows himself to be an old, softer Gaunce at 5x the price.

i like gaunce but at the nhl level he's still an energy winger. he has showed brief signs of being more than that but he also gets hurt. no way would i pencil him in as a 4th line centre, although i hope he will be one.

 

[Hit the post]

I don't know either but he's being sold as 'making us tougher and grittier' and 'protecting the kids'. And it's absurd.

He has no physical game at all. He's a big, slowish, high-IQ/low-event, positional defensive center.

He's had 1 fight in his career and got knocked unconscious.

And the other guy signed is essentially an agitator. He'll start fights that a guy like Guds will have to finish (that is, if the other is healthy). More grit!

 

[opendoor]

I still can't understand the idea of signing a depth player until he's nearly 37 years old. There were only 22 regular forwards who were 35 or older last season and only 2 of them (Mackenzie and Hendricks) have never cracked 40+ points.

Or to put it another way, in 15-16 there were 23 forwards who were 32 years old like Beagle is now and who played 40+ games. 2 years later only 7 of those 22 were still in the league at age 34 and a few of those guys (Jokinen, Stajan, maybe Upshall, etc.) look like they're done. The population of 35+ year old players who can still take a regular shift in the NHL is almost exclusively made up of former top 6 players and Beagle certainly doesn't fit that bill.

 

[MS]

And the other guy signed is essentially an agitator. He'll start fights that a guy like Guds will have to finish (that is, if the other is healthy). More grit!

Of the 3 guys that we signed yesterday that management is hyping as 'protecting the kids':

- one had 16 PIM last year and was knocked out in his only NHL fight.

- one had 42 PIM last year, has 3 career NHL fights and probably shouldn't fight again after major hand surgery last month.

- the other one is a Cooke/Marchand type escalator who targets star players and creates more trouble for his own skill players, and isn't remotely a 'protector'.

But then it's pretty consistent that what Jim Benning thinks a player is has nothing to do with what they really are, so nobody should be surprised.

 

[Lindgren]

Tyler Dellow has an article in The Athletic analyzing what he considers the mistake bad teams make in pursuing certain kinds of players in free agency. He looks at two examples: Detroit signing Green and Vancouver signing Beagle:

"One wonders what Jim Benning thinks the Canucks are likely to do next year with Beagle and what they’d be likely to do without him but with the best player available who would sign a one-year contract. I can’t really imagine that the difference is even as much as a win and yet Vancouver made a four-year commitment."

For those with a subscription:
Dellow: The futility of bad teams doing anything on July 1

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I predict that Beagle will be far worse than everyone is expecting, and we will want to buy him out after his first season but be unable to because of his asinine bonus-laden contract.

I have a different prediction. I think - in year one, at least - Beagle will fill his roll admirably. The real problem that is going to raise the ire of Canuck faithful, myself included, is that his success there will mean the return of the "Sutter in an offensive role" experiment which will be predictably terrible to behold.

 

[Fire Benning]

Btw, for those saying Beagle will help 'protect' Pettersson and Boeser, he hasn't had a fight since the 11/12 season.

 

[Fire Benning]

Just realized his contract is buyout proof. Jesus Christ lmao.

 

[Jay Cee]

The thing about Sutter is he is our 2nd C by default. We don't have the assets to trade to get a legit #2 C and we didn't chase someone on the FA market, which I agreed with. It's not a perfect situation at all, but it is way better than some alternatives.

 

[tiny103]

hopefully he can teach petterson and gaudette a few things to help them round out to become NHL centers.

 

[DekeyPete]

He'll mentor a couple young centers on faceoff techniques , provide much needed leadership in the dressing room, and might even contribute on the ice by keeping the puck out of our net. I'm fine with it. It is what it is. I don't exect miracles for our bottom feeding team. Now let's try hard and land the other Hughes!

 

[Zippgunn]

Same.

And it will be amusing to see the pro-Benning/anti-Gaunce crowd try to spin it when this guy shows himself to be an old, softer Gaunce at 5x the price.

Clearly this is what you and your ilk are hoping. Sad really...

 

[jeromemorrow]

Gaunce - Beagle on the 4th line is fine I suppose

You sprinkle a LW Leipsic ... C/RW Schaller, Kero on to the Gaunce-Beagle combination .. you get to assign & rotate a player at the faceoff start position

 

[absolute garbage]

I have a different prediction. I think - in year one, at least - Beagle will fill his roll admirably. The real problem that is going to raise the ire of Canuck faithful, myself included, is that his success there will mean the return of the "Sutter in an offensive role" experiment which will be predictably terrible to behold.

If that happens, I'm fairly sure Beagle will be heavily exposed. This is a guy who played behind Kuznetsov, Backstrom and Eller in Washington. If he gets more heavily relied upon here, and planted to the role that Sutter player last year with significantly more minutes and responsibility than he has had previously, I think it's safe to say he's going struggle and look bad. And then the casual fans will be all flabbergasted as to why he is playing so much worse than he did in Cup finals, not understanding a major shift in role and deployment.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

On what's a shoe-in to be the league's worst team.

I could see us finishing around 25th. The Sedins weren't particularly good players last yr. If we get above average results on special teams and goaltending is ok, we'll be a similar team. Not saying 31st would be surprising, just think 24th is about as likely.

 

[bbud]

Btw, for those saying Beagle will help 'protect' Pettersson and Boeser, he hasn't had a fight since the 11/12 season.

Think it's more take d zone faceoffs penalty kill play tough minutes and guys who do that well are huge factors now it's wait see how well it works.

 

[Lindgren]

Gaunce - Beagle on the 4th line is fine I suppose

You sprinkle a LW Leipsic ... C/RW Schaller, Kero on to the Gaunce-Beagle combination .. you get to assign & rotate a player at the faceoff start position

Unless the Canucks make some moves before the start of the season, or they begin with injuries, there's currently no room for Leipsic and certainly not Kero in the starting line-up.

 

[Agent007]

Sounds like he is going to be a $2m dead cap space hit if and when they eventually send him down to the minors.

I wonder how much dead cap space we will have in 2-3 years with all these deals for bottom 6 plugs.

 

[timw33]

Sounds like he is going to be a $2m dead cap space hit if and when they eventually send him down to the minors.

I wonder how much dead cap space we will have in 2-3 years with all these deals for bottom 6 plugs.

We're going to need every retained salary slot possible over the next 5 years.

 

[Melvin]

If that happens, I'm fairly sure Beagle will be heavily exposed. This is a guy who played behind Kuznetsov, Backstrom and Eller in Washington. If he gets more heavily relied upon here, and planted to the role that Sutter player last year with significantly more minutes and responsibility than he has had previously, I think it's safe to say he's going struggle and look bad. And then the casual fans will be all flabbergasted as to why he is playing so much worse than he did in Cup finals, not understanding a major shift in role and deployment.

I actually just noticed that he had the worst shot differential in the entire league last season.

This is quite the dream team Jim is assembling.

 

[krutovsdonut]

beagle's agent says canucks were in the mix with 8-9 teams. not sure what "considered" means.

 

[Breakers]

Not an effin chance

so a third of the NHL was considering signing Beagle for 4 years, while younger better centers got less term.
His agent bluffed Benning with fake offers.