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Regardless, the point is, he's outstanding defensively along with just okay offensively. He's getting paid the way he is in large part because of his defense.
IMO, this is true.
Regardless, the point is, he's outstanding defensively along with just okay offensively. He's getting paid the way he is in large part because of his defense.
first opt out is after 4/78 then again after 5.
this is an absolute steal for the cubs. especially as the 2019 is pa based. if he doesn't opt out after 2018, all he has to do is not get hurt and log 550 pa to be able to opt out.
Of the reported $184 million that Heyward signed for, $20 million comes in the form of a signing bonus that’s considered deferred money, Heyman reported. Here’s the year-by-year breakdown of Heyward’s salary for the rest of the way, per Heyman.
2016: $15 million
2017: $21.5 million
2018: $21.5 million
2019: $20 million
2020: $21 million
2021: $21 million
2022: $22 million
2023: $22 million
Can't see how/why the Cardinals didn't do more to beat this.
How much more could they do? Heyward was rumoured to have been offered 200mil from them. IIRC, Heyward simply preferred the Cubs.
With a 20 mil signing bonus isn't it really more like 4/98?
I would tend to agree. I know he's a sabremetrician's wet dream, but the guy's overrated IMO. His walk rate has been declining, his "power" has seemed to level off at like 13 homers a year (which for a guy 6'5" 245 is pathetic), he has a terrible postseason batting average, and he plays a position where it's pretty easy to hide a mediocre fielder. Not to mention the sky is the limit with Soler, who they have control over until 2020 I believe. They better get A LOT back if they plan on dealing him, otherwise this signing could prove to be a colossal mistake.So much hype for an overrated player. Terrific defensively. Ordinary offensively.
I would tend to agree. I know he's a sabremetrician's wet dream, but the guy's overrated IMO. His walk rate has been declining, his "power" has seemed to level off at like 13 homers a year (which for a guy 6'5" 245 is pathetic), he has a terrible postseason batting average, and he plays a position where it's pretty easy to hide a mediocre fielder. Not to mention the sky is the limit with Soler, who they have control over until 2020 I believe. They better get A LOT back if they plan on dealing him, otherwise this signing could prove to be a colossal mistake.
I would tend to agree. I know he's a sabremetrician's wet dream, but the guy's overrated IMO. His walk rate has been declining, his "power" has seemed to level off at like 13 homers a year (which for a guy 6'5" 245 is pathetic), he has a terrible postseason batting average, and he plays a position where it's pretty easy to hide a mediocre fielder. Not to mention the sky is the limit with Soler, who they have control over until 2020 I believe. They better get A LOT back if they plan on dealing him, otherwise this signing could prove to be a colossal mistake.
I'd rather have the similar production, but more power and speed but more mental lapses, and team friendly contract of Starling Marte, personally.
When was Marte ever an option for the Cubs?
I never said he was. I'm just highlighting that scouting and developing and identifying talent early usually leads to the same type of players not running the risk of being giant albatrosses in terms of contracts.
It's nice to go out and "win the offseason" by signing a Heyward, Price, whoever, but I think it's better (and more gratifying, not to mention cost efficient) to have the Martes, McCutchens, Rizzos, Goldschmidts, Sales.
Okay...literally the entire Cubs lineup is made up of these players which allowed them to add pieces like Zobrist and Heyward to push them further. You're highlighting a Cubs strength more than downgrading their addition.
I didn't want to turn this into Heyward vs Marte. I just wanted point out how much value there is in developing your own players. Probably the wrong thread to do it in, in hindsight.
And for the record, Heyward does strike out less and walk more than Marte, but it's not a wide gap, when you add in HBPs.
Last 3 seasons-
Marte- 392 Ks, 140 BB/HBP
Heyward- 261 Ks, 187 BB/HBP
I didn't want to turn this into Heyward vs Marte. I just wanted point out how much value there is in developing your own players. Probably the wrong thread to do it in, in hindsight.
And for the record, Heyward does strike out less and walk more than Marte, but it's not a wide gap, when you add in HBPs.
Last 3 seasons-
Marte- 392 Ks, 140 BB/HBP
Heyward- 261 Ks, 187 BB/HBP
Not that K's are a be all tell stat but the gap there is like the grand canyon.
47 walks is a ****ton, too.
No doubt it's substantial but over 3 years it's not quite as glaring as 131 K's. That's basically an extra seasons worth for someone who strikes out a lot.
If they put him in CF and that allows Schwarber to play everyday I like this deal A LOT more. But him over Soler in RF (overall) isn't even an upgrade IMO.What he will help with is their defense which was atrocious in the NLCS. He should help cover some of the gaffes coming from Schwarber in left. I doubt the Cubs regret this signing too much. The money is likely too high but they've got enough where it shouldn't hurt them too much.
Yeah I meant his career postseason stats. He was definitely good this year in the playoffs.Also he was probably one of the only Cardinals who even showed up in the playoffs this year.
This is the level of pitcher I'd have to get to even think about trading Soler.This allows the Cubbies to trade Soler for a pitcher like Carrasco or Ross. Then they can laugh their way to the division.