Value of: Jake Virtanen and Thatcher Demko

[BB06]

Jake Virtanen
Younger winger with size and on pace for 21/21 season
-Similar production and age this season to kapanen went for a early-mid first

Thatcher Demko
-Young Goalie with number 1 potential


What could these guys get on the Open Market? Canucks needs picks/prospects/cap space

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[Double Dion]

What type of prospect are you looking for? I'm assuming D with top 4 potential looking at the team. I'd be more interested in Demko from a Flames perspective. Jake is too poor in his own end and we already have a couple of players who need to be sheltered.

 

[Boondock]

What type of prospect are you looking for? I'm assuming D with top 4 potential looking at the team. I'd be more interested in Demko from a Flames perspective. Jake is too poor in his own end and we already have a couple of players who need to be sheltered.

Yes the Canucks need D prospects (preferably RHD) and cap space so a deal that eats a bad contract is of interest to the Canucks as well.

I agree that Demko has more appeal to the Flames, but your assessment of Virtanen isn't entirely accurate. I wouldn't compare him to O'Reilly on the defensive side of the puck, but he is not a liability. He is almost never the cause of an opposition scoring chance. The biggest knock on Jake is that he doesn't use his tools all the time. When Jake is "on" he is a huge body, very fast strong skater and his shot is amazing. When he "isn't on" he is a step behind the play, chasing the puck. I get frustrated watching him, but it has nothing to do with his defensive ability.

 

[zcaptain]

Jake has improved year over year
This year, his Goals/points were more 2nd line than 3rd
especially for the minutes played
Remember he plays behind Boeser and Toffoli in Vancouver

 

[780il]

I’d really want Demko in Edmonton. Virtanen you can keep.

 

[Boondock]

I’d really want Demko in Edmonton. Virtanen you can keep.

They aren’t a package deal. Demko to a division rival might cost a bit more but make an offer that makes sense

 

[Cancuks]

Only would move them together if Eriksson can be attached.
Maybe something like this:
Eriksson, Virtanen, Demko to Detroit
for
Bernier 50% retained

 

[93LEAFS]

I’d offer 15th overall and a prospect not named Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren. Not sure that entices Van. I’m not sold on Virtanen but he would help our teams physicality and would slot in well as Kapanen’s replacement (outside the PK, but brings way more physicality). I don’t think Virtanen click with Matthews or Tavares (for similar reasons as Kapanen, plays a top north/south game and doesn’t think the game at a high-level) but he’d be a good it on the 3rd. Demko is the real jewel and the hope is he can be a franchise goalie. Obviously, Andersen would need to be moved elsewhere to make it work and hopefully for a decent package.

If the goal is to reduce cap-space we are the wrong team to call.

 

[Canucks1096]

I’d offer 15th overall and a prospect not named Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren. Not sure that entices Van. I’m not sold on Virtanen but he would help our teams physicality and would slot in well as Kapanen’s replacement (outside the PK, but brings way more physicality). I don’t think Virtanen click with Matthews or Tavares (for similar reasons as Kapanen, plays a top north/south game and doesn’t think the game at a high-level) but he’d be a good it on the 3rd. Demko is the real jewel and the hope is he can be a franchise goalie. Obviously, Andersen would need to be moved elsewhere to make it work and hopefully for a decent package.

If the goal is to reduce cap-space we are the wrong team to call.

Deal. Great trade offer

 

[93LEAFS]

Deal. Great trade offer

I thought Demko was doing better than he was and buried by Markstrom. I’d still consider that offer but it would fully depend on what we can turn Andersen into.

 

[Cogburn]

I’d offer 15th overall and a prospect not named Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren. Not sure that entices Van. I’m not sold on Virtanen but he would help our teams physicality and would slot in well as Kapanen’s replacement (outside the PK, but brings way more physicality). I don’t think Virtanen click with Matthews or Tavares (for similar reasons as Kapanen, plays a top north/south game and doesn’t think the game at a high-level) but he’d be a good it on the 3rd. Demko is the real jewel and the hope is he can be a franchise goalie. Obviously, Andersen would need to be moved elsewhere to make it work and hopefully for a decent package.

If the goal is to reduce cap-space we are the wrong team to call.

Who are we talking about then, as a prospect?

A cursory glance at the Maple Leaf prospect pool left me a little underwhelmed. I just didn't see anything to appeal to me for Demko straight up, as I value Kapanen and Virtanen very similarly (the very pick Kapanen got in the trade this week being included).

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Eriksson + Virtanen to Ottawa for Anisimov

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Alex Nylander, Dylan Sikura, and Alex Fortin.

 

[Love]

Read this before commenting on Jake Virtanen because there’s already been a ton of incorrect takes: The Breakout Season of Vancouver Canucks Winger Jake Virtanen

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I'd take Virtanen on Montreal and ship out Lehkonen to someone else.

 

[DarthProbert]

Demko, Virtanen, and Sutter to Edmotnon for Samorukov and a 2nd.

 

[Lolonegoal]

Only would move them together if Eriksson can be attached.
Maybe something like this:
Eriksson, Virtanen, Demko to Detroit
for
Bernier 50% retained

What is this post even. Giving up demko and virtanen for a cap dump? Also despite detroit being the worst team in the league they were scrapped to the cap ceiling.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

I’d offer 15th overall and a prospect not named Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren. Not sure that entices Van. I’m not sold on Virtanen but he would help our teams physicality and would slot in well as Kapanen’s replacement (outside the PK, but brings way more physicality). I don’t think Virtanen click with Matthews or Tavares (for similar reasons as Kapanen, plays a top north/south game and doesn’t think the game at a high-level) but he’d be a good it on the 3rd. Demko is the real jewel and the hope is he can be a franchise goalie. Obviously, Andersen would need to be moved elsewhere to make it work and hopefully for a decent package.

If the goal is to reduce cap-space we are the wrong team to call.

That’s a solid offer, curious to who’s your best prospect after those three though?

 

[Canuck86]

Eriksson + Virtanen to Ottawa for Anisimov

This isn't a bad idea, would Ottawa retain to keep have more dead cap space getting them over the floor?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This isn't a bad idea, would Ottawa retain to keep have more dead cap space getting them over the floor?

Sens wont have an issue hitting the floor.

Whats the floor, 60m, 61?

We're at 42m currently, with C. Brown to resign (lets say 3.5 to 4.5m), Duclair (lets say 3 to 4m), Tierney (lets say 3.25 to 3.75), and even then we'd only have 7fwds and 4 D on our roster, totalling 52m-55m, depending on where guys fall in that range. Add in 7 guys at 800k and you're up to 55-58m.

Sens can get creative with cap space, but imo its much much much more likely that they take on dead cap space, or high cap low salary guys (like Eriksson) than they are to retain real salary for a player theyre dealing. I also think they will try to acquire a young, legit top 6F/top 4D, like Dunn, Sergachev, etc., with some of their picks and prospects.

I do think we'd be willing to take a guy like Ferland, no problem

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

That’s a solid offer, curious to who’s your best prospect after those three though?

Personally, I’d take the newly acquired Hallander.

With giving up Madden, be nice to replenish the C prospect depth. Especially if Gaudette moves to wing.

Could also allow for a flip for a defensive prospect close to ready.

Just gives more options.

Thus:

Virtanen + Demko for 2020 15th OV + Hallander.

 

[Hockey Know it all]

What is this post even. Giving up demko and virtanen for a cap dump? Also despite detroit being the worst team in the league they were scrapped to the cap ceiling.

You mean strapped not scrapped lmao.

 

[Fatass]

Benning created cap hell fir the Canucks. Jake and Demko must be moved to dump two of: Loui, Baer, and Sutter.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

Benning created cap hell fir the Canucks. Jake and Demko must be moved to dump two of: Loui, Baer, and Sutter.

I think that is the most realist thing to happen.

Demko + Baertschi for a 3rd
Virtanen + Eriksson for future consideration

Could see Ottawa taking on Eriksson with Virtanen due to his low salary

 

[DougieSmash]

What's the price for Carolina? I like both of them.