LeBrun: Jake McCabe drawing steady interest from contenders, price is a 1st round pick

[dj Mahoney]

Difficult to say if Connor Murphy will fetch slightly more or slightly less ?

 

[Sarava]

If not Greene, then what? Avs would need something more to make it worth Girard + 1st. Maybe they send Malgin and get Raddysh + a pick back? Just spitballing

Greene is one of the Hawks better prospects. I wouldn't trade him straight up for the Avs first right now, let alone adding to McCabe.

 

[Sarava]

And for tanking for Bedard purposes, no potential Hawk trade at this deadline will help the tank as much as moving McCabe. He's played very good, and losing him will hurt the team more than Toews or Kane at this point.

Difficult to say if Connor Murphy will fetch slightly more or slightly less ?

I'll say less. There's been a ton of smoke around McCabe for quite some time. The Murphy front has been more quiet.

 

[BlueBaron]

I’d probably pay a 1st for McCabe at 50% retained but not at his full price.

How big of a upgrade would he be on Sandin?

That's tricky. The numbers don't suggest it's a huge upgrade but it's difficult to ignore he's a better skater and brings more snarl. Conversely Sandin is probably more useful on the powerplay.

 

[ManofSteel55]

A rental Ben Chiarot got an unprotected 1st. McCabe, especially with retention, is much more valuable than Chiarot. Thinking he might net a 1st is not ludicrous.

Ben Chairot was traded for to be a 2/3 defenseman. McCabe might be able to play 2nd pair in a pinch but he's a 3rd pair guy on a contender. Not saying McCabe won't get a 1st, but Chairot isn't the best comparable.

 

[John Mandalorian]

We’ll see if any teams have learned from Ben Chiarot

Outcomes matter? Because countless times, we’re told that precedent is all that matters. It doesn’t matter if Chiarot or Foligno were bad TDL adds, the fact that they got 1sts is all that matters. All similar players should get 1sts.

This is what has been said countless times. Are you suggesting that people might be wrong about this?

 

[Sinbad]

And for tanking for Bedard purposes, no potential Hawk trade at this deadline will help the tank as much as moving McCabe. He's played very good, and losing him will hurt the team more than Toews or Kane at this point.


I'll say less. There's been a ton of smoke around McCabe for quite some time. The Murphy front has been more quiet.

Murphy will be moved at the 2024 TDL along with Tyler Johnson.

 

[Sinbad]

It will be interesting to see how the narrative changes if McCabe is traded for a 1st, I can already see fans from the acquiring team lauding their GM for such a brilliant acquisition.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Murphy will be moved at the 2024 TDL along with Tyler Johnson.

Health for both will determine that

 

[Michoulicious]

Leafs have a deep blue line. He is absolutely a 2nd pair D. Hell him and Liljegren were our top pairing for like a month during all the injuries

Problem is Sandin has been struggling with any D partner not named Liljegren. Keefe is sheltering him big time. I'd not be surprised if he's scratched if Leafs can get a top 4 D at the deadline.

 

[Sinbad]

Health for both will determine that

As it does with all players.

 

[Mrfenn92]

As it does with all players.

Yeah but more so for them both

 

[ColbyChaos]

Ben Chairot was traded for to be a 2/3 defenseman. McCabe might be able to play 2nd pair in a pinch but he's a 3rd pair guy on a contender. Not saying McCabe won't get a 1st, but Chairot isn't the best comparable.

In what universe was Ben Chairot ever a #2 Dman?

 

[Space umpire]

I am sure the Devils fan who watches no leaf games is an expert on who is what. The fact you put Sandin in the same tier as Foote/Fleury says more than anything I can say back.

Ben Chairot was traded for to be a 2/3 defenseman. McCabe might be able to play 2nd pair in a pinch but he's a 3rd pair guy on a contender. Not saying McCabe won't get a 1st, but Chairot isn't the best comparable.

This is funny stuff. McCabe has been a 2nd pairing guy for several years. While that may not have been on great teams his numbers stand out very well compared to teammates. If you’re going to write things as fact try to make sure easily searchable data support it.

 

[Space umpire]

That's tricky. The numbers don't suggest it's a huge upgrade but it's difficult to ignore he's a better skater and brings more snarl. Conversely Sandin is probably more useful on the powerplay.

Playoff hockey is a faster, tougher and more physical fight to the finish.
Sandin is not a good skater, doesn’t hit or take hits to make plays. Opponents move on him without fear.
If they need Sandin for the power play that’s fine but then what are you paying Rielly (also non physical and weak defensively) all that money to do?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Playoff hockey is a faster, tougher and more physical fight to the finish.
Sandin is not a good skater, doesn’t hit or take hits to make plays. Opponents move on him without fear.

literally two days ago

 

[Legion34]

Playoff hockey is a faster, tougher and more physical fight to the finish.
Sandin is not a good skater, doesn’t hit or take hits to make plays. Opponents move on him without fear.
If they need Sandin for the power play that’s fine but then what are you paying Rielly (also non physical and weak defensively) all that money to do?

Sandin is small but absolutely trucks people

 

[ManofSteel55]

In what universe was Ben Chairot ever a #2 Dman?

The Stanley Cup finalist Canadiens

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Toronto 1st would be a late one tho. So maybe he does get that. It's not gonna be a lotto pick

 

[Space umpire]

literally two days ago

He threw a check, COOL!

I watch every Leaf game. I saw it when it happened. It’s the oddity of it. Note everyone’s surprise.

For every solid hit how many times turnstiled because of no foot speed.

 

[TheDoldrums]

He threw a check, COOL!

I watch every Leaf game. I saw it when it happened. It’s the oddity of it. Note everyone’s surprise.

For every solid hit how many times turnstiled because of no foot speed.

You said he doesn't hit...he leads the team in hits with 112 already. If you watched every Leafs game you'd know how off-base your comment was, he's the most physical defenseman on the team

 

[HockeyVirus]

He threw a check, COOL!

I watch every Leaf game. I saw it when it happened. It’s the oddity of it. Note everyone’s surprise.

For every solid hit how many times turnstiled because of no foot speed.

You have no idea what you are talking about and it's hilarious to see people so confidently wrong time and time again.







And here's a bonus fight



Sandin isn't big but he is FAR from soft. He hits a lot and will stand up for team mates.

 

[Space umpire]

You have no idea what you are talking about and it's hilarious to see people so confidently wrong time and time again.







And here's a bonus fight



Sandin isn't big but he is FAR from soft. He hits a lot and will stand up for team mates.

Wait a minute, 1 good hit, 1 dirty blindside hit and 1 hit from behind and a bonus of him being rag dolled by a guy who doesn’t fight is impressive.
While cool that he stepped up.
I guess when your team is as soft as TML this qualifies as tough.
Let’s just see how the playoffs go. Though the Hawks have Tampa’s 1st so I am hoping a few Leafs grow some balls and adjust to the physicality unlike the last decade (55 years?).

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Playoff hockey is a faster, tougher and more physical fight to the finish.
Sandin is not a good skater, doesn’t hit or take hits to make plays. Opponents move on him without fear.
If they need Sandin for the power play that’s fine but then what are you paying Rielly (also non physical and weak defensively) all that money to do?

Sandin hits all the time and takes hits to make plays regularly. His skating has also improved this season. Why do those who are the most ignorant tend to comment the most on what they know the least about ?

 

[Sinistril]

Not even at 50%? I agree with you at full salary but McCabe at $2m is a super valuable piece, especially for a contender with a late 1st that likely won't contribute for 2, 3, 4 years or not at all.

Not even at 50% lol