Value of: Jacob Trouba (Mod warning OP)

[Spazkat]

Wrong x 2.

2. He can be dealt w/o waiving, just not immediately. Per CF:
CLAUSE DETAILS: 2024-25: Player submits a 15 team no trade list; 2025-26: Player submits a 12 team no trade list.

So 5 years from now if they want to trade him without agreement they can? That's a bit longer of a time frame than "not immediately" implies

 

[bernmeister]

You think making that post to argue 500k makes you look like anything less then a clown? You f***ing clown. go away. I bet if some goes "yeah it was $3" you chime in like a total clown going "NO IT WAS $2.99"

There is a useful quote in an episode of the original Star Trek.
It is to the effect:
It was easier for civilized men to act like barbarians than
for barbarians to act like civilized men.

When I am taken to task on what is a matter of subjective opinion, and then am vindicated as a matter of fact, I will not be told by you or anyone else to be silent.

 

[jay from jersey]

He's always been a bit overrated, but he's still a top pairing D IMHO. Without PP specialist DeAngelo Trouba would've had more points. Trouba's D partner has been trash and he's been getting all the tough minutes.

Put him with a decent D and he'll be even better.

Also his physicality is nice.

He'll be perfect as a partner to Miller when he's ready.

This. He’s not going anywhere. He is a 6’4 mobile minute eating RD that is signed until he’s 31. He is overpaid by 1 mill perhaps but teams would be lining up to trade for him. He is a legitimate 1B defender. He’s not victor Hedman but give him a partner that’s mobile and has good decision making and he’s fine. He was great paired with morrisey. I think k’andre Miller will be a great partner for trouba because I look at Miller and morrissey having many similarities to their games. When Lindgren was moved up with trouba for a few games they played really well together. I think he can have success with DeAngelo on his left but it’s not ideal. The point is moot, this thread is silly, Jake is not for sale. He got better as the season went on and was our best D in the play ins. I expect a much better 2nd season from him now that he’s settled in. Trouba and Lindgren are the only 2 guys who clear the crease and make opposing players worry about being plastered. Fox is not that type of D. Tony D while a mean SOB doesn’t have the size to throw bone crushing hits or move large men out of shesty’s way. You know who does it against the best in the world might in and night out?? Trouba. With his carousel of LD partners. Help is on the way though. Nils Lundqvist Braden Schneider Miller Robertson are all big guys that don’t shy away from contact. But the only one in that group that has the nasty potential of trouba is Schneider. Hunter skinner is another mean physical SOB but he’s buried way down on the RD depth chart and it’s unfortunate but he will probably be traded like Joey Keane was. But I’m going off on a tangent now. Point is trouba is good. He had a rocky 1st half of his first year with a new team, shocker he was trying to do too much. He settled in as time went on and will be much better this year. Problem is the 5 people that hate trouba on the rangers board will still hate him no matter what so it a waste of time to argue with them

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Send in your offers boys
Looking at Centers or LD, prospects, picks
Center either a playmaker or two way guy
D preferably a defensive dman or two way guy
26 or younger

Choke on his contract now that you traded for him.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

called out for BS.
players of the ilk you describe would be like Brendan Smith.
Was he in there? No.
You again ignore, and I will not allow you to get away with, refusing to admit that as noted, value is fair.
The core has a former 9OA and a guy who upon redraft would go at least 7OA for Seider, a reach at 6OA.
All the others, we are looking at first or second plus value for 2nds, including some in the future, for guys now, players who are early to mid 20s. In one fell swoop Wings got a complete core to add to what they have on W.

If your vote is to build via draft, slow and steady and hope to get it all right, fine.
But don't misrepresent the facts.



Facetious.
Guys who are good are dealt b'c replacements emerge happens often.
Deangelo -- not part of this deal -- will be usurped by Nils L. Who will ultimately be the better player? Remains to be seen. But NY needs to move on ADA so they have $ in 3 yrs when needed. Can move on now or later, but move on they will.

Again, value legit for all guys tendered in deal.



Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
What unmitigated greed.
DET admits that it needs to add seriously to a threadbare roster.
This does it, without snookering any 30/ish guys not long term part of a build.

As explained. When you acquire talent, you have to pay for it, pay to keep it.
What these guys will earn will be market, adjusted for the fact it is a covid depressing economy driving their numbers down, something of which Wings should take advantage. Also, these are guys still on elc or rfa.

And you complain about paying their salaries?
Hypocrisy, man, H.

Detroit needs to add at reasonable prices and not at the cost of dealing away a lot of futures. Especially for guys who are good, but not great NHL players/prospects. We don't need literally everything that New York doesn't consider to be untouchables for a shitload of draft capital and our #6 pick from last year who looks incredible. The Red Wings want to acquire their own core, not transplant guys who you don't feel are good enough to be NYR's core.

 

[FireGorton]

they literally signed him to that contract because they want him as our 1D. They didn't sign him to that contract for no reason. He's not even bad, he just gets shitted on because he doesn't produce points like Tony or Fox. We don't need every defensemen we have to put up points.

No he was bad but everyone blamed Skjei,Smith or Ruff. I guess fans didn’t know he was given favorable matchups when Buff took the tougher matchups in Winnipeg. Hopefully he becomes a Norris trophy contender because he’s getting paid like one and it doesn’t look to be aging well early on so far

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Took 26 faceoff's this year and won 7. Trouba won't want to play in Toronto anyways

This is on par with someone using fantasy hockey rankings when comparing how good a player currently is.

 

[bernmeister]

Detroit needs to add at reasonable prices and not at the cost of dealing away a lot of futures. Especially for guys who are good, but not great NHL players/prospects. We don't need literally everything that New York doesn't consider to be untouchables for a shitload of draft capital and our #6 pick from last year who looks incredible. The Red Wings want to acquire their own core, not transplant guys who you don't feel are good enough to be NYR's core.

Thank you for the constructive feedback.
I will be a bit crushed to go into this w/you in extensive detail, prob til end of this wk at earliest.
But I would like to see what if anything is a match.

That said, I disagree w/some of what you said.
Chytil is a signif surrender and is off the table pretty much for everything except w/Trouba + for Seider +.
Chytil is not a guy not good enuf to be NYR core.
Nor is Trouba, who is only being moved to create cap down the road.
Geo is not Shesty, but he is core to the extent he is our backup and could backup anywhere and is a fit for a 1a-1b double starter situation.
And I included a NY 1st which got downgraded for 2 2nds
The only player I included that maybe fits your complaint is Howden, who I will happily retain to be our 3c, or 4C if Barron cuts it.
However, you should consider to not discount Howden and his speed to compete at 3C, or if others emerge, as a possible LW for Larkin, just to see what might work w/all that speed.

I am open to discussing tweak as to a better fit, but you ARE getting full value for the highly regarded return I seek. These are all younger guys, not geezers involved.

 

[Fatass]

What’s wrong with Trouba that the Rangers want to dump him? If that’s the case then wouldn’t his value be kind of similar to what Vegas got for Schmidt - a third?

 

[GAGLine]

What’s wrong with Trouba that the Rangers want to dump him? If that’s the case then wouldn’t his value be kind of similar to what Vegas got for Schmidt - a third?

Nothing. The OP hates him and loves DeAngelo, and pretty much everyone else is on board with the idea that we are keeping Trouba and trading DeAngelo at some point. That, or they want to keep both, but that isn't realistic long term.

 

[boredmale]

Nothing. The OP hates him and loves DeAngelo, and pretty much everyone else is on board with the idea that we are keeping Trouba and trading DeAngelo at some point. That, or they want to keep both, but that isn't realistic long term.

My 2 cents is it's not Trouba or DeAngelo, it's Fox or DeAngelo, both are sort of redundant

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Does Marner still play center? Something around Marner and Trouba? Although Rags probably don’t like Marners cap hit.

what do faceoffs have to do with anything?

Let me answer your question a different way, Marner has never ever played center in the NHL. And I don't think he did in junior. I actually have no idea where your notion to the contrary cams from. Are you thinking of Nylander?

 

[kylbaz]

Make sure you guys download his app, guy is a celebrity. Center stage in New York to expand his brand!

 

[Calad]

My 2 cents is it's not Trouba or DeAngelo, it's Fox or DeAngelo, both are sort of redundant

Agreed. The only person in our system that might be able to play the kind of role Trouba does is Braden Schenider and hes a good 3+ years away. Rangers have absolutely no intention of moving Trouba. OP just hates him and wants him gone.

That being said, after Fox basically forced his way onto our squad, to turn around and trade Fox especially after the season he had would give the organization a pretty terrible reputation and players will not be nearly as interested in coming here if they know their future isn't secure.

 

[SI90]

Let me answer your question a different way, Marner has never ever played center in the NHL. And I don't think he did in junior. I actually have no idea where your notion to the contrary cams from. Are you thinking of Nylander?

No, and I promise you that at times in London Marner did play center. My point was is he solely a winger now?

 

[TGWL]

No team is taking his contract at a risky time like this. He still has a 6 million signing bonus next season.

 

[Waivers]

This. He’s not going anywhere. He is a 6’4 mobile minute eating RD that is signed until he’s 31. He is overpaid by 1 mill perhaps but teams would be lining up to trade for him. He is a legitimate 1B defender. He’s not victor Hedman but give him a partner that’s mobile and has good decision making and he’s fine. He was great paired with morrisey. I think k’andre Miller will be a great partner for trouba because I look at Miller and morrissey having many similarities to their games. When Lindgren was moved up with trouba for a few games they played really well together. I think he can have success with DeAngelo on his left but it’s not ideal. The point is moot, this thread is silly, Jake is not for sale. He got better as the season went on and was our best D in the play ins. I expect a much better 2nd season from him now that he’s settled in. Trouba and Lindgren are the only 2 guys who clear the crease and make opposing players worry about being plastered. Fox is not that type of D. Tony D while a mean SOB doesn’t have the size to throw bone crushing hits or move large men out of shesty’s way. You know who does it against the best in the world might in and night out?? Trouba. With his carousel of LD partners. Help is on the way though. Nils Lundqvist Braden Schneider Miller Robertson are all big guys that don’t shy away from contact. But the only one in that group that has the nasty potential of trouba is Schneider. Hunter skinner is another mean physical SOB but he’s buried way down on the RD depth chart and it’s unfortunate but he will probably be traded like Joey Keane was. But I’m going off on a tangent now. Point is trouba is good. He had a rocky 1st half of his first year with a new team, shocker he was trying to do too much. He settled in as time went on and will be much better this year. Problem is the 5 people that hate trouba on the rangers board will still hate him no matter what so it a waste of time to argue with them

Preach buddy. A lot of Trouba haters on the Rangers board. Meanwhile, the Rangers have absolutely nobody who plays a shutdown role against teams top lines, plays all situations, and has a howitzer from the point.

Some people just have their own agendas and premonitions.

 

[GAGLine]

My 2 cents is it's not Trouba or DeAngelo, it's Fox or DeAngelo, both are sort of redundant

I don't think anyone other than EdJovanovski would choose DeAngelo over Fox.

 

[NYRKing]

It was a bad first year, but I don’t blame him entirely as the D overall was atrocious. The problem is I don’t know who we have that can fit as a top LD to pair with him. Skjei was such a disappointment last year for us and Brendan Smith, well enough said.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

No, and I promise you that at times in London Marner did play center. My point was is he solely a winger now?

Yes, he has never been so much as speculated to be used at center in 4 years in the NHL.

 

[jay from jersey]

I don't think anyone other than EdJovanovski would choose DeAngelo over Fox.

That’s the whole point it doesn’t have to be team fox or team deangelo. Why not both?? Especially when one can make the switch to LD and when the players we have coming up on the left are going to be cost controlled for years

 

[Petrus]

DET desperately wants a 2C.
Chytil fits nicely.

A big deal note this is not outlandish b'c can be broken up into several multiple smaller deals.

Haven't had chance to finalize but would be something like:

Chytil + Howden + Trouba + Strome + Hajek + Rykov + Andersen + Georgiev
for
Seider + NYR 2021 + DET 2020, 2021 and 2022 2nds + EDM 2020 + 2021 2nds + cap dump DeKeyser 5m x 2

Analysis:
Wings would have to be overwhelmed and this does it.
In one fell swoop, they get
2C-Chytil
3C-Howden
4C- Lias
Strome could be 3C but see as RW and possible later rental
Trouba to offset loss of Seider
but also add desperately needed LD in Rykov and Hajek
finally also Geo for net.

Rangers get a stud RD prospect who is exp ex elc
lots of picks
DeKeyser is likely LTIR but that's ok for NY and if he does return, he'd be a tough bottom pair LD for 2 short yrs.
NY buys out from under the 6 yrs at 8 per

Further comment:
we don't know exactly how good Seider will be. We can all agree he is not magic beans and is Hedman lite. How lite, we don't know. Would be huge to give up him, a 6OA reach, at this pt, but
Chytil - if redrafted he would have been like 7OA
Trouba was like 9OA
so being objective by the numbers, that is not a raw deal there.

As to the rest of it
Geo worth 2nd +
Strome wortu 2nd +
Howden drafted late first, while needs to improve scoring aspects of his game but as an elc who will stick would likely get a late first
Rykov had 2nd ish value when acquired AND IS EXP DR EXEMPT\
Hajek was key return in a major deal, looked fab 4 games, got injured, mishandled, projects well. ALSO yes it is inconvenient, but if he plays no more than 39 games this season HE IS ALSO EXP DR EXEMPT
likely also gets 2nd+
That leaves Lias Andersen who after returning from the dead, still elc, prob also gets a 2nd

Wings are giving up 2nds for 2nd + value and still have WAS 2nd in 2020.
They have enough cap to do it.

This would be short term hurt for NY, but they can handle/work around it, which would be worth it for structural cap relief translating Trouba's 8m into Seider's elc.

It also means w/Fox - Seider - and eventually Nils L
we can pay Deangelo 5.5 x 6, up his value, have him be versatile at LD. and deal later.


Kakko-Krav-Panarin
kreider-Zib-Buch
LaF-Barron-Gauthier
Lemeiux-Nieves-Gettinger

Lindgren-Fox
Deangelo-Seider
DeKeyser/Miller/Reunanen/Robertson-stopgap til... Nils L

Shesty
sign Howard cheap 1 yr backup
winner of Lindbom-Wall

something like that

A 17 player swap to address a 2c need for Detroit?

 

[Unbiased Fan]

It’s much harder to replace the skill of DeAngelo & Fox than it would be to find a shutdown Dman, and that can be found for a LOT less than 8 mill. Lindgren is a tough cookie, Miller is a monster, DeAngelo can throw hands with the best of them. I don’t think we’re too soft, and if we traded Trouba for a LD I’d be targeting a big, defensive-minded guy

DeAngelo would die if he fought ryan reeves he can’t stand up against a top end fighter.

 

[bernmeister]

What’s wrong with Trouba that the Rangers want to dump him? If that’s the case then wouldn’t his value be kind of similar to what Vegas got for Schmidt - a third?

Nothing wrong, not damaged goods. Overpaid by a mil and half that is it.
The issue is NYR have
1) elcs->rfas in 2-3 yrs
and
2) expect $ raise for Zib in 3 yrs.

If we got market value for him recognizing he is outstanding RD based on play in 'peg and is
a) in need of correct partner
b) recovering from nonsense of Ruff D system

and were able to repurpose good value into cheaper futures, that is preferable and works.

If not, we keep and work around that.

Agreed. The only person in our system that might be able to play the kind of role Trouba does is Braden Schenider and hes a good 3+ years away. Rangers have absolutely no intention of moving Trouba. OP just hates him and wants him gone.

That being said, after Fox basically forced his way onto our squad, to turn around and trade Fox especially after the season he had would give the organization a pretty terrible reputation and players will not be nearly as interested in coming here if they know their future isn't secure.

Agree w/all of this, except while it could be longer, I expect Schenider to be at least 1 full yr min but maybe ready as little as 2.

 

[bernmeister]

A 17 player swap to address a 2c need for Detroit?

That deal, which included 2020 picks, is now no longer applicable as is.

A reduced version of something like 4 or 5 for 3 is what is current.
Mo on that another time...