Rumor: Jack Eichel Part II

[SB716]

Am I mistaken or are there multiple people in this thread talking as if Eichel is only slightly more valuable than fox because of potential?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Am I mistaken or are there multiple people in this thread talking as if Eichel is only slightly more valuable than fox because of potential?

You should read the other one. Laf is already better than Eichel.

 

[Kublakhan]

Even in an offer sheet situation he would get four first rd. picks easy.. So why would his value be lesser than that??

 

[SB716]

You should read the other one. Laf is already better than Eichel.

fuching delete this place

 

[sabremike]

Can the KeyBank center hold more than "7-8k a freaking night" with everyone 6 feet apart?

Because with or without Eichel, that's our new reality.

Yup, it's going to be like that for the rest of eternity. So we have to trade any good player we have and have a roster of Niagara students and some local high school kids. JFC.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Am I mistaken or are there multiple people in this thread talking as if Eichel is only slightly more valuable than fox because of potential?

IMO Fox is already a 55+ point top pairing defenseman who is excellent defensively.

You should read the other one. Laf is already better than Eichel.

Eichel >>> Lafreniere

 

[MarkusKetterer]

fuching delete this place

I was saying that was the sentiments given in the other thread. I wasn’t saying Laf is better than Eichel.

Jesus, this place

 

[lawrence]

would Eichel be interested in coming to Vancity? He would face his Alter Ego more then a few times a year

 

[sabremike]

I was saying that was the sentiments given in the other thread. I wasn’t saying Laf is better than Eichel.

Jesus, this place

He wasn't reacting to you, he was reacting to the idiocy of people thinking Fox or Laf>Jack

 

[Yatzhee]

Only a matter of time...

Probably, but with 6 years left on his contract, a clear franchise center, young age, your going to pay a very steep price.
With all of that said, the obvious reason Buffalo's new GM even considered moving Eichel instead of building around him isn't so much an act of desperation, but may, and I stress may, have identified Eichel as either a part of the larger problem here in Buffalo or the one piece that can be moved to build a product in GM Adams vision. Only time will tell which of these it is, or maybe a combination of both.

As for Eichel, can't blame the kid if he wants out honestly. The Pegula's have great intentions I am sure, but the learning curve as owners going toward 10 seasons now has been painful one here in Buffalo. Although, it looks as though they figured football out much quicker, so there is hope.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

He wasn't reacting to you, he was reacting to the idiocy of people thinking Fox or Laf>Jack

Ah ok. I was thinking “place” was an autocorrect of “piece”.

 

[SB716]

I was saying that was the sentiments given in the other thread. I wasn’t saying Laf is better than Eichel.

Jesus, this place

I wasn’t saying you were. That was my actual reaction to you filling me in on that. I’ve been staying away from this place and I see why

 

[flamesforcup]

I think Lafferniere for Eichal straight up is a decent trade for both teams assuming Eichal wants out. Doubt Buffalo will get anything much better then a 1st overall pick. Maybe Rangers can throw in next years first as well. Obviously Eichal is more valuable but you are not gonna get full value for him if he wants out.

 

[Profet]

Yup, it's going to be like that for the rest of eternity. So we have to trade any good player we have and have a roster of Niagara students and some local high school kids. JFC.

Is that what I said? (No)

But saying that a deal won't happen because of ticket sales seems short sighted with the current pandemic climate.

 

[SB716]

IMO Fox is already a 55+ point top pairing defenseman who is excellent defensively.



Eichel >>> Lafreniere

Bud he had a great season but would he surely have scored 13+ more points in the last 12 games?I’m not sure but I’m positive his value isn’t in the same galaxy as Eichel.

 

[1FreakZilla3]

You give up Matthews for that offer?

Exactly.

id rather keep mathews..

 

[Snippit]

Nothing lol about what I said I only think maybe 2-3 players are worth that type of package (mcdavid, mack, drai).

If this zibinajad is the real deal moving forward the rangers would be dumb to trade him. I dont know if hell be a 100+ pace player moving forward but zibinajad has already delivered for the rangers. Really risky trading him and hoping eichel can replicate that level of play

Zibanejad has 2 years left on his contract before he's a 28 year old UFA. Eichel has 6. Kakko has huge upside but he's still a question mark.

As a Sabre fan I don't do that deal (and I don't think Leaf fans should do the deal for Matthews either in reference to your last post). If Zib was locked up for longer then yeah probably.

 

[sabremike]

id rather keep mathews..

As would any sane person.

 

[FlyguyOX]

You should see the offers jets fans expect for Laine. To get eichel would be a massive haul. Kakko and or Laf would have to be involved with additional firsts and A level prospects

 

[John Mandalorian]

He does. He is credible. I wouldn't have put it up there if he wasn't.

He’s just hearing about interactions with the Rangers. What about the offers that Buffalo is making to other teams?

 

[NYRKing]

Sabre’s probably asked for #1 and or Kakko and NYR said no.

 

[bl02]

You should see the offers jets fans expect for Laine. To get eichel would be a massive haul. Kakko and or Laf would have to be involved with additional firsts and A level prospects

where and what are the offers for Laine? On hfboards or something concrete?

 

[DropTheGloves]

New to the party here, but have to wonder if Buffalo's asking price was something like Fox + Zibanejad + Kakko?

Whatever it was, I wouldn't necessarily put much into the starting ask- if you're the Rangers, and you want another team's franchise player, getting a call back of any kind is a win. Sure, today the price might be Fox/Zib/Kakko or 1st overall/Shesterkin/Kakko, but many big trades have taken weeks or even months to iron out. I can definitely see something coming to fruition between them.

If I had to put a "realistic" price on Eichel's value- and this is an academic exercise that assumes his camp really has made some noise behind the scenes his agent is publicly playing down to help Buffalo get top dollar- Lafreniere, Kakko, and the rights to DeAngelo and Strome is a kingly ransom for a player who doesn't want to play for you (in theory).

Yes, it means Buffalo has to rebuild again, but a U25 core of Laf, Kakko, Reinhart, Cozens, Olofsson, Dahlin, DeAngelo, Jokiharju, UPL, and the 8th this year would be incredible.

The Sabres would be looking at something like this for 2020:

Lafreniere-Reinhart-Skinner
Olofsson-Strome-Kakko
Okposo-Staal-Kahun
Asplund-Cozens-Lazar
Thompson

Dahlin-Miller
McCabe-Ristolainen/DeAngelo
Jokiharju-Montour
Pilut

Hutton
Ullmark
UPL

One of Ristolainen or DeAngelo would have to be moved, but there should be an ample market and it could even help them move up a bit (does 8 and one of them return 5?) in the Draft.

The other option might be to deal 8 + Ristolainen/DeAngelo for an older center, which would push Reinhart back out to RW and move everyone down a spot:

Lafreniere-?-Reinhart
Olofsson-Strome-Skinner

The extra time to develop further down the lineup might help Kakko, and depending on the center that's potentially a really solid top-six on paper.

And on the other side of the ledger, believe it or not, but the Rangers could absorb Eichel at full pop without losing a beat:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Kreider-Eichel-Free Agent
Lemieux (~$2 million)-Chytil-Kravstov
PDG-Howden-Gauthier
13F, 14F (~$900k each)

Smith-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Hajek-Free Agent
7D (~$800k)

Shesterkin
Georgiev (Jarry deal?)

New York would have to walk a VERY thin line with their free agents- probably no more than $4 million between them- but they have major advantages as a destination city and I could see vets like Granlund, Wilson, and Bogosian spurning higher offers for the opportunity to play in NYC.

Is it necessarily wise for the Rangers to tie up $30 million between Panarin, Eichel, and Trouba? With so many of their young players reaching RFA next year maybe not, but this sets them up very nicely for a one year run at a time when everyone else is pinching pennies.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Whatever it was, I wouldn't necessarily put much into the starting ask- if you're the Rangers, and you want another team's franchise player, getting a call back of any kind is a win. Sure, today the price might be Fox/Zib/Kakko or 1st overall/Shesterkin/Kakko, but many big trades have taken weeks or even months to iron out. I can definitely see something coming to fruition between them.

If I had to put a "realistic" price on Eichel's value- and this is an academic exercise that assumes his camp really has made some noise behind the scenes his agent is publicly playing down to help Buffalo get top dollar- Lafreniere, Kakko, and the rights to DeAngelo and Strome is a kingly ransom for a player who doesn't want to play for you (in theory).

Yes, it means Buffalo has to rebuild again, but a U25 core of Laf, Kakko, Reinhart, Cozens, Olofsson, Dahlin, DeAngelo, Jokiharju, UPL, and the 8th this year would be incredible.

The Sabres would be looking at something like this for 2020:

Lafreniere-Reinhart-Skinner
Olofsson-Strome-Kakko
Okposo-Cozens-Kahun
Asplund-Thompson-Lazar

Dahlin-Miller
McCabe-Ristolainen/DeAngelo
Jokiharju-Montour
Pilut

Hutton
UPL

One of Ristolainen or DeAngelo would have to be moved, but there should be an ample market and it could even help them move up a bit (does 8 and one of them return 5?) in the Draft.

The other option might be to deal 8 + Ristolainen/DeAngelo for an older center, which would push Reinhart back out to RW and move everyone down a spot:

Lafreniere-?-Reinhart
Olofsson-Strome-Skinner

The extra time to develop further down the lineup might help Kakko, and depending on the center that's potentially a really solid top-six on paper.

And on the other side of the ledger, believe it or not, but the Rangers could absorb Eichel at full pop without losing a beat:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Kreider-Eichel-Free Agent
Lemieux (~$2 million)-Chytil-Kravstov
PDG-Howden-Gauthier
13F, 14F (~$900k each)

Smith-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Hajek-Free Agent
7D (~$800k)

Shesterkin
Georgiev (Jarry deal?)

New York would have to walk a VERY thin line with their free agents- probably no more than $4 million between them- but they have major advantages as a destination city and I could see vets like Granlund, Wilson, and Bogosian spurning higher offers for the opportunity to play in NYC.

Is it necessarily wise for the Rangers to tie up $30 million between Panarin, Eichel, and Trouba? With so many of their young players reaching RFA next year maybe not, but this sets them up very nicely for a one year run at a time when everyone else is pinching pennies.

Where did Staal and Ullmark go for the Sabres?

 

[Sam Pollock]

The quote says the Sabres tabled an offer to the Rangers, not the other way around.

Which could mean that the Rangers asked what they wanted for Eichel and put forth an offer of Fox, Zibanejad and Kakko or some offer similar. I still think the Rangers initiated the conversation and Buffalo came up with an offer that Rangers rejected.

However, everyone is just speculating right now myself included.