I agree. I don't understand why we had to gut the team after one disappointing season following a SCF loss in the prior season. If we had held onto Carter, Richards, Gagne, JVR, and Bobrovsky, we'd be in a much better position than we are now. It's embarrassing that three of our former forwards won the Stanley Cup and the goalie won the Vezina immediately after we traded them. Meanwhile, we are in the basement of the league, bought out the prized free agent acquisition we signed with the money we freed up from the deals, fired our coach, and forced a young star into the captaincy before he was ready. I hate this team right now.
We didn't lose the trade. Simmonds and Voracek have more points on their own than Carter and Richards, that's without adding Couturier, Schenn and Grossmann.
We didn't lose the trade. Simmonds and Voracek have more points on their own than Carter and Richards, that's without adding Couturier, Schenn and Grossmann.
It's attitude that's the problem here. Nobody seems to want to play.
The Carter/Richards trade isn't what's killing us. It's the Pronger trade (and subsequent injury).
stop looking at point totals. there's far more to players than just that. Carter was the team's #1 sniper, something the team desperately needs right now, and Richards is one of the top 2way forwards in the game. Carter was good defensively too. Simmonds, Voracek and Schenn all suck defensively.
ill agree with that, the injury that is.
we havent had any team identity since carter/richards left and pronger got injured.
were a bunch of random pieces that dont mesh well
Voracek and Schenn don't suck defensively, they are certainly above average based on the last two years, Brayden played some pretty tough minutes last year and did ok, and Voracek is underrated in that department since coming to Philly, he is not a natural, but works very hard to make up for it defensively... but yeh, they are not Richards level, and Carter was very sound defensively, albeit very quietly so.
Simmonds is probably average around the league. But has looked poor at times this year.
I agree with the sentiment though, the defence on the front end is not as evenly rounded, although Couts does redress a lot of that... if offensive production was not a part of the Selke race he would have been in the running last year, and has been just as impressive this year.
So far this year (albeit in a small smaple, but Couts should keep it up, he has for two years now) him, Steen, Bryan Little, Bolland, Jordan Staal and Bergeron have arguably been a class above every other centre in the league defensively.
Couts has been better than Richards almost certainly in the last few years from a purely defensive standpoint.
But yeh, due to Couts having such a heavy workload and not breaking out offensively (expected with the silly workload) while him and Giroux have a similar defensive workload between them (as those two have taken Carter and Richies mins, not Schenn, Simmonds and V) as Carter and Richie had there is a loss of points compared to them... and there is more worry about line matching now.
But if the offence was producing like it has the last two years this would not be a discussion now really. That is the crux for me.
The Carter/Richards trade isn't what's killing us. It's the Pronger trade (and subsequent injury).
I'd still do the Carter trade in a heartbeat. I was never a fan of the cannon trade
The only thing Carter did that I enjoyed watching was score short handed goals. Both Carter and Richards were awesome on the PK, now, it's dreadful.
The only thing Carter did that I enjoyed watching was score short handed goals. Both Carter and Richards were awesome on the PK, now, it's dreadful.
Now we lost the trade? When Simmonds was scoring 29 and Couturier was scoring 12 (as an 18 yr old and shutting down Malkinstein) and Voracek scored 50 in year 1 and followed it up with another 46 in a shortened season. Nobody seemed to have a problem.
Now that they are all collectively not scoring in the first 12 games of the season, the decision has been made 100% now. They lost on both of these deals.
I'm really glad nobody hear rushes to judgement.
Now we lost the trade? When Simmonds was scoring 29 and Couturier was scoring 12 (as an 18 yr old and shutting down Malkinstein) and Voracek scored 50 in year 1 and followed it up with another 46 in a shortened season. Nobody seemed to have a problem.
Now that they are all collectively not scoring in the first 12 games of the season, the decision has been made 100% now. They lost on both of these deals.
I'm really glad nobody hear rushes to judgement.
Now we lost the trade? When Simmonds was scoring 29 and Couturier was scoring 12 (as an 18 yr old and shutting down Malkinstein) and Voracek scored 50 in year 1 and followed it up with another 46 in a shortened season. Nobody seemed to have a problem.
Now that they are all collectively not scoring in the first 12 games of the season, the decision has been made 100% now. They lost on both of these deals.
I'm really glad nobody hear rushes to judgement.
You only say this because Pronger is done, if he was on the ice right now this team wouldn't have the problems it does plus you would have some solid D.
Don't be messing with Pronger, he has proven to be one of the best in the NHL before his injury.
Trading away Richie was wrong, you don't trade the captain! Carter was like Briere only showed up in the post season if he could stay healthy, no loss there.
Let's not overlook, however, that Pronger was already showing big signs of wear and tear before the eye injury / concussion. He was slower, too, because of the knees and was certainly not playing at his high level. Pronger definitely would be helping the blue line right now, but it may not have been All-Star / future HoF calibre.
So far this year (albeit in a small smaple, but Couts should keep it up, he has for two years now) him, Steen, Bryan Little, Bolland, Jordan Staal and Bergeron have arguably been a class above every other centre in the league defensively.
You only say this because Pronger is done, if he was on the ice right now this team wouldn't have the problems it does plus you would have some solid D.
Don't be messing with Pronger, he has proven to be one of the best in the NHL before his injury.
Trading away Richie was wrong, you don't trade the captain! Carter was like Briere only showed up in the post season if he could stay healthy, no loss there.