exactly, look at Edmonton
That is bunk.
The Sedins are the least of our problems. Keep them and sign them to 2nd line money and put them on the second line.
Flush out all of Mike Gillis's problems and we have enough money to sign two 7 million dollar forwards to make a new 1st line.
That is bunk.
The Sedins are the least of our problems. Keep them and sign them to 2nd line money and put them on the second line.
Flush out all of Mike Gillis's problems and we have enough money to sign two 7 million dollar forwards to make a new 1st line.
That is bunk. They are the leaders on this team and have led this team to two consecutive embarrassing first round losses. They didn't even show up this series. This is a mentally fragile team that melts down far too often, and the finger needs to be pointed at the leadership group on this team and that's headed by Henrik Sedin. The Sedins are a big problem with this team and it's just time that the two sides move on.
The new draft lottery rules make this almost impossible. Last place in the nhl gives only a 25% chance of netting the 1st overall pick. If your tank doesn't quite succeed and you finish 2nd or 3rd, your odds are even less in your favour.
It's because they don't have a supporting cast around those picks. Pittsburgh knows how to build around top picks and have a Cup to show it.
It's because they don't have a supporting cast around those picks. Pittsburgh knows how to build around top picks and have a Cup to show it.
they have the two best players in the league
they have the two best players in the league
Most likely there won't be another first overall pick like that for a while. Just because they have an insane amount of hype doesnt make them a sure fire generational talent
Pens actually have been pretty terrible the last couple years, first round exits and have struggled against the Isles so far
That is bunk. They are the leaders on this team and have led this team to two consecutive embarrassing first round losses. They didn't even show up this series. This is a mentally fragile team that melts down far too often, and the finger needs to be pointed at the leadership group on this team and that's headed by Henrik Sedin. The Sedins are a big problem with this team and it's just time that the two sides move on.
Well assuming there's no comeback in the works...
Like someone else said coaches tend to have an expiry date, and this is the first time I've agreed on here but while AV has been a good coach it's time for him to go... problem is who else is available right now? That could grant AV a bit of a lifeline if there's no worthy candidates to replace them.
As for the team? It's long overdue but Gillis really needs to start shifting assets towards the forwards. We have plenty of good complimentary guys, but for the longest time our lineups been thin on pure offensive talent. We basically have the Sedins and Kesler. San Jose in comparison has Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, and Havlat. We need more of that, and should focus on trading a goalie and a dman towards it. Roy may be worthwhile keeping around depending on the cost, it was a great rental move by Gillis to get him but seems like a failure on AV's part to establish his spot in the lineup in time for the playoffs (example: that great start with Higgins, then Kesler came back and the lines get shuffled). Some of the kids may help here as well if any of Kassian, Jensen, or Schroeder could take the next step.
That's how I feel they should go at least. And now it seems like probably a good time to ditch the Canucks board for the summer as I can't stand the whining emo fest that is about to commence. I mean seriously, look at the team that's smoking us right now. The team we smoked 2 years ago in the semi finals and have been falling short much longer than we have. Think they'd be in a better position if they blew everything up and started a major rebuild? This is the playoff's, **** happens. Firing your GM and starting a rebuild when you're consistently in the top half of the bracket is amateur hour.
Yeah Philly did that major shakeup, but a) unlike us they did have a Claude Giroux waiting to take over and b) you may notice that the guys they ditched went on to win the Stanley Cup that year while they bowed out in the second round and missed the show altogether this year. But hey at least they made some neat trades along the way!
they have the two best players in the league
Most likely there won't be another first overall pick like that for a while. Just because they have an insane amount of hype doesnt make them a sure fire generational talent
Pens actually have been pretty terrible the last couple years, first round exits and have struggled against the Isles so far
Hopefully if another player steps up we can transition that leadership into purely a mentorship. We are talking about two consecutive Art Ross trophy winners that love our city and have signed for less in the past to stay here. That is very valuable and I think we have thrown them under the bus too much lately for their perceived inability to kick it up a notch for the playoffs. They also aren't grandpas at the age of 31 and play a style of hockey more reliant on skill than young legs to get the job done.
If they re-sign for a 2nd line salary and allow others to take the reigns I think we would be a very lucky franchise. Sadly, their regular season numbers make this an improbability as other teams would offer them much more lucrative contracts in a years time than what we would given our qualms of them as our go-to-guys.
If I were the GM, I would approach the twins with this dilemma to re-negotiate a $4-4.5m 3-4 yr contract for them this offseason. If there is no interest in the idea, I would ask them for a list of teams they would like to be traded to.
Yeah this would be awesome. I don't think we should move them but hope their next contract comes at a lower amount ($4-4.25m? I think this is unlikely though). If we can use the cap savings to sign even one additional gamebreaker up front it could be an absolute headache for other teams.
With all the chat of trading Edler (for someone like Couts or ROR I would do it), I hope we get a short-term (2-3yr) replacement offensive defenceman from UFA. Mark Streit jumps to mind.
Yes, its very possible that the Sedins will sign 4 to 5 million dollar deals. And they would be the best second line in the game.
We have enough savings w/o Ballard, Booth and one of the goalies to sign 1st line guys. Kesler could center the new 1st line
$4.5M is too much for my liking. Earlier this year I'd have said $4M, but even that I don't want them back at. I really think it's just time to move on. Trade them to another team and pick up some good young assets to rebuild the team around, and move on.
$4.5M is too much for my liking. Earlier this year I'd have said $4M, but even that I don't want them back at. I really think it's just time to move on. Trade them to another team and pick up some good young assets to rebuild the team around, and move on.
And they haven't gotten out of the 1st rd the last couple years, just like the Canucks...
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This guy won't sign the Sedins for second line duty for less then what Kieth Ballard makes.
So really you want to keep the same team together, less some of the players who didn't play that much? Moving those players will not change anything.