Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21

[SI90]

So is Datsyuk. Any interest?

is he related to Pavel?

 

[danteipp]

is he related to Pavel?

It is Pavel, the old man is still playing and flourishing in the KHL.

Just like the barbers in Coming to America talking about Joe Louis, who one insisted was seventy-six years old, Pavel has to be closing in on 50.

 

[SI90]

It is Pavel, the old man is still playing and flourishing in the KHL.

Just like the barbers in Coming to America talking about Joe Louis, who one insisted was seventy-six years old, Pavel has to be closing in on 50.

Yeah that’s why I asked if he was related. This is the prospects thread and I highly doubt 63 year old Datsyuk wants to come back to the nhl at this point. Even though he’s probably still better than a lot of guys.

 

[BarzyClub]

I wonder if they’re only sending the Euro kids overseas for now. Bellows not sent yet, does that mean he’s trade bait?

 

[MJF]

View attachment 371454 I wonder if they’re only sending the Euro kids overseas for now. Bellows not sent yet, does that mean he’s trade bait?

Kid needs to play.

In Lou's post draft presser he said he was trying to find teams to send our AHLers to that allow them to do what they do best.

I take that to mean nothing instructional. So in Wahlstrom's case he goes to a place where he can snipe, snipe, snipe.

 

[NC 1972]

Kid needs to play.

In Lou's post draft presser he said he was trying to find teams to send our AHLers to that allow them to do what they do best.

I take that to mean nothing instructional. So in Wahlstrom's case he goes to a place where he can snipe, snipe, snipe.

In the words of Al Arbor and I paraphrase ,in discussing Mike Bossy. I can teach him defense his scoring is God given. that's not a quote.
But you get it.

 

[JRD76]

Looks like Holmstrom finally in the line up today. Playing on first line. No points so far for him or Wahlstrom.

 

[BarzyClub]

Kid needs to play.

In Lou's post draft presser he said he was trying to find teams to send our AHLers to that allow them to do what they do best.

I take that to mean nothing instructional. So in Wahlstrom's case he goes to a place where he can snipe, snipe, snipe.

Ugh.Let’s see if Lou sends him to Europe now..

 

[The Wahligator]

Iskhakov off to a nice start thus far

 

[xECK29x]

+ = on IR or just hurt

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW/LW	2018 round 1 #11	3	AIK / HockeyAllsvenskan	4	2	1	3	0	-5
Simon Holmstrom	RW	2019 round 1 #23	8	HC Vita Hasten / HockeyAllsvenskan	1	0	0	0	0	0
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	NR	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg/KHL	11	6	3	9	20	3
Ruslan Iskhakov	C/RW	2018 round 2 #43	9	TPS / Liiga	3	2	1	3	0	1
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	Orebro HK / SHL	5	1	3	4	2	2
William Dufour	RW	2020 round 5 #152	NR	Drummondville Voltigeurs / QMJHL	2	0	3	3	4	2
Alexander Ljungkrantz	LW	2020 round 3 #90	NR	Brynas IF / SHL	7	2	0	2	8	0
Matias Rajaniemi	D	2020 round 6 #183	NR	Pelicans / Liiga	2	0	0	0	0	0
GOALIES					GP	GAA	SV%	SO	W-L-T
Henrik Tikkanen	G	2020 round 7 #214	NR	IPK / Mestis	2	1.50	.933	0	2-0-0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[IslandersFan17]

Iskhakov is starting to become a prospect I think is going to garner more and more attention.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

+ = on IR or just hurt

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW/LW	2018 round 1 #11	3	AIK / HockeyAllsvenskan	4	2	1	3	0	-5
Simon Holmstrom	RW	2019 round 1 #23	8	HC Vita Hasten / HockeyAllsvenskan	1	0	0	0	0	0
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	NR	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg/KHL	11	6	3	9	20	3
Ruslan Iskhakov	C/RW	2018 round 2 #43	9	TPS / Liiga	3	2	1	3	0	1
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	Orebro HK / SHL	5	1	3	4	2	2
William Dufour	RW	2020 round 5 #152	NR	Drummondville Voltigeurs / QMJHL	2	0	3	3	4	2
Alexander Ljungkrantz	LW	2020 round 3 #90	NR	Brynas IF / SHL	7	2	0	2	8	0
Matias Rajaniemi	D	2020 round 6 #183	NR	Pelicans / Liiga	2	0	0	0	0	0
GOALIES					GP	GAA	SV%	SO	W-L-T
Henrik Tikkanen	G	2020 round 7 #214	NR	IPK / Mestis	2	1.50	.933	0	2-0-0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Ljungkrantz is actually at 3 goals in 7 games.

BUT, you need to mention that those stats are with the junior team. He's not playing in SHL at the moment.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Here's the Islanders' draft review from Eliteprospects Rinkside:

 

[xECK29x]

Ljungkrantz is actually at 3 goals in 7 games.

BUT, you need to mention that those stats are with the junior team. He's not playing in SHL at the moment.

Whoops, I just went based on the stat line under the teams depth chart in EP, looks like it didn’t include the junior stats. I’ll update it later.

Here's the Islanders' draft review from Eliteprospects Rinkside:
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Not good as I really trust EP for their Swedish knowledge, guess we’ll see what happens there.

 

[SI90]

I’m still a believer that Salo will be an nhl defenseman

 

[xECK29x]

I’m still a believer that Salo will be an nhl defenseman

If he can fix his skating he has a chance, he might be better on smaller ice.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Not good as I really trust EP for their Swedish knowledge, guess we’ll see what happens there.

Then again, they have a "scout/writer" for most all important regions and then go with what that one guy is saying. One can take that for what it's worth.

In addition, their draft guide (over 1100 pages, but no functioning "Search tool" in their PDF-version) was basically 150 pages with pictures and opinion and then millions of paragraphs of in-season scouting reports from individual games. Of their top 129 players, there were gobs of them that weren't showing up anywhere else and didn't end up getting picked either, so there's that...

 

[IslesNorway]

Then again, they have a "scout/writer" for most all important regions and then go with what that one guy is saying. One can take that for what it's worth.

In addition, their draft guide (over 1100 pages, but no functioning "Search tool" in their PDF-version) was basically 150 pages with pictures and opinion and then millions of paragraphs of in-season scouting reports from individual games. Of their top 129 players, there were gobs of them that weren't showing up anywhere else and didn't end up getting picked either, so there's that...

It's not only them. Virtually every scouting agency had him unranked or 7th round. Even if they aren't full time scouts they do watch a lot of junior hockey, international tournaments, national games etc. Having played for Sweden at several age groups he must have been watched by lots of different scouts over the years, and all seem to agree he is not an NHL prospect, except those who work for the Islanders. As I've said before this pick reminds of Jason Clark who was picked in the 3rd round of 2010 and everyone scratched their heads at it.

 

[MichaelK]

This is like picking in MLB after the first round. You are trying to project at 18/19 what a player will be at 25. It is a very imprecise science and certain things are beyond your control like injuries. Not to mention, people this high are usually dominating their competition despite flaws in their games and you can’t always say whether that will work at the next level. About the only thing that appears to definitely not translate is that if you don’t have hockey IQ you aren’t going to make it.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

It's not only them. Virtually every scouting agency had him unranked or 7th round. Even if they aren't full time scouts they do watch a lot of junior hockey, international tournaments, national games etc. Having played for Sweden at several age groups he must have been watched by lots of different scouts over the years, and all seem to agree he is not an NHL prospect, except those who work for the Islanders. As I've said before this pick reminds of Jason Clark who was picked in the 3rd round of 2010 and everyone scratched their heads at it.

I wrote my opinion on this pick in the 2020 Draft thread just before it was closed.

I'm sure you'll concur with what I wrote there.

Ironically, now a few days later, I'm even more disappointed than I initially was. It was the other way around last summer.

We can't change it though and if what Lou said in the interview at the Islanders' homepage is true, he basically left this thing entirely to scouting staff. Gotta think he was more busy worrying about free agency, the salary cap, and our RFAs anyhow.

My hope is that once the main roster is taken care of, a few of these kids who have gone undrafted for a number of years - despite being considered very legit by the independent agencies - will be brought in on AHL contracts to get a real look at them, as several look like legit NHLers in various capacities.

 

[SI90]

Some of the boys stats from today.Rumpelstilskin with 2 apples

Wally and Golly still producing

 

[Arsenalogist24]

Lets go Ljungjrantz

 

[mm11]

so does this Golyshev ever come over? What's the dirt? Good to see Lundeugryrygeettgrantz doing well

 

[Uncle Duke]

I wrote my opinion on this pick in the 2020 Draft thread just before it was closed.

I'm sure you'll concur with what I wrote there.

Ironically, now a few days later, I'm even more disappointed than I initially was. It was the other way around last summer.

We can't change it though and if what Lou said in the interview at the Islanders' homepage is true, he basically left this thing entirely to scouting staff. Gotta think he was more busy worrying about free agency, the salary cap, and our RFAs anyhow.

My hope is that once the main roster is taken care of, a few of these kids who have gone undrafted for a number of years - despite being considered very legit by the independent agencies - will be brought in on AHL contracts to get a real look at them, as several look like legit NHLers in various capacities.

I don't know anything about any of these kids but Lou picks the scouting staff and so how any of it works out is ultimately on him regardless of who he left it to.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I don't know anything about any of these kids but Lou picks the scouting staff and so how any of it works out is ultimately on him regardless of who he left it to.

At the end of the day, yes.

Certainly, a GM is graded and held responsible for any drafts conducted under his watch.