Dreger: Islanders and Avalanche lead Eberle sweepstakes

[Jumptheshark]

Apparently because he had 1 16-point year, which makes him a scrub and a has-been.

is he 21 or 31?

he 31 getting paid 4.75 mill got 3 more seasons

my problem with him is that fact most of his pts are assists and not goals--he has never topped 20 goals in a season

Unless you are Adam Oates getting 80 assists a year are his pts due to his talent or his linemates

People are bashing Eberle at 6mill a year for 20 goals last year but oiler fans can not bash Soderberg for 14pts and a paycheck of 4.75--soderberg is 5 years older then Eberle--but it sounds like most are saying Eberle is done--and soderberg just had an off year

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

dunno.....but don't we already pay pouliot 4 million?

Who pretty much no Oilers fan wants a part of.

is he 21 or 31?

he 31 getting paid 4.75 mill got 3 more seasons

my problem with him is that fact most of his pts are assists and not goals--he has never topped 20 goals in a season

Unless you are Adam Oates getting 80 assists a year are his pts due to his talent or his linemates

People are bashing Eberle at 6mill a year for 20 goals last year but oiler fans can not bash Soderberg for 14pts and a paycheck of 4.75--soderberg is 5 years older then Eberle--but it sounds like most are saying Eberle is done--and soderberg just had an off year

It's just Mentallydull, any Oilers fan with any semblence of hockey knowledge wants nothing to do with Soderberg, let alone Eberle for Soderberg. You could retain half of Soderberg's contract and it'd still be poor value for what he brings.

 

[McJesusSaves97]

dunno.....but don't we already pay pouliot 4 million?

Unfortunately, yes...

 

[AvsGuy]

Colborne is a guy you trade a 5th round pick for right now and you still aren't sure if you got screwed or not, not a 50 point scorer who had his shooting percentage blow up on him.

And I'd probably hate acquiring Soderberg more than that.

No one's insinuating that Colborne has ever been a 50 point guy. He's a 30-40 point guy who displayed weak work ethic and got relegated to the 4th line by a rookie coach with his head up his ass. Well worth 1 remaining season at $2.5 million in the right system, which may not be Edmonton, but we'll get more than a 5th for him at the deadline next season.

Your logic on either of these players is fairly skewed.

I don't hate Eberle, and he should fetch more than Soderberg, but their impact on games overall is not that vastly different. Colorado in particular doesn't have the expendable pieces you'd desire in return for an underwhelming winger like Eberle.

 

[ManofSteel55]

No one's insinuating that Colborne has ever been a 50 point guy. He's a 30-40 point guy who displayed weak work ethic and got relegated to the 4th line by a rookie coach with his head up his ass. Well worth 1 remaining season at $2.5 million in the right system, which may not be Edmonton, but we'll get more than a 5th for him at the deadline next season.

Your logic on either of these players is fairly skewed.

I don't hate Eberle, and he should fetch more than Soderberg, but their impact on games overall is not that vastly different. Colorado in particular doesn't have the expendable pieces you'd desire in return for an underwhelming winger like Eberle.

He's not a 30-40 point guy. He's a 25- 30 point guy who caught lightning in a bottle one year.

 

[JoemAvs]

He's not a 30-40 point guy. He's a 25- 30 point guy who caught lightning in a bottle one year.

EDIT:

Nevermind. Wrong trainwreck..

Yeah I agree that Colborne is probably more of a 25-30 kind of guy. Didn't like it when he signed with us and don't like it now.

We bought very high on him...

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So the fact that players which are typically pretty consistent points-wise until they had 1 bad year on 1 bad team isn't relevant? Their low point totals are actual reflections of what types of players they are?

Obviously McLellan isn't going to talk **** about any of his players, especially if he knows that a trade is going to be incoming. Why shoot yourself or your team in the foot?

In terms of practice habits, you just need to look at the optional practices in the playoffs. Eberle with 1 point in the first however many games is skipping optionals? He should be leading the ****ing charge for those if he actually gave a ****. Watch his "backchecking" in literally any game. Someone on the team doesn't actually need to say "xyz has bad habits" before it's true.

About the Belanger comparison, go check out the point totals for the Oilers players that year then check out the point totals for the Avs players this past year. Not even remotely similar, the Avs (sorry Avsbros) were far more terrible.

You're trying to argue that Eberle is near worthless because he dropped from 63 points to 51 at 26 years old, but Soderberg somehow retains lots of value when he craters from 51 to 14 at ****ing 32? And Avs fans say he quit on the year completely?

You're arguing yourself into a corner here bud. Everything you said about Soderberg you can apply to Eberle, except Eberle NEVER quit on this team as badly as Soderberg did.

Those are your two options. Soderberg is **** now or he completely stopped trying. That a player you want?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Eberle also has declining point totals, lack of effort on the ice, and lack of effort off the ice to thank for his current reputation.

Nice attempt at cherry-picking though.

Eberle took more shots, more shots from hard areas, improved his two way game, hit more than he ever has in his life in the playoffs AND his coach defended him publicly, but trust you just because? Yeah alright.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Apparently because he had 1 16-point year, which makes him a scrub and a has-been.

14 points, and yes, when you're 32 and are signed for three more years at 4.75, that's exactly what it makes you. Persona non grata.

The only thing we should even be considering moving for a reclamation project like Soderberg is Benoit Pouliot.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No one's insinuating that Colborne has ever been a 50 point guy. He's a 30-40 point guy who displayed weak work ethic and got relegated to the 4th line by a rookie coach with his head up his ass. Well worth 1 remaining season at $2.5 million in the right system, which may not be Edmonton, but we'll get more than a 5th for him at the deadline next season.

Your logic on either of these players is fairly skewed.

I don't hate Eberle, and he should fetch more than Soderberg, but their impact on games overall is not that vastly different. Colorado in particular doesn't have the expendable pieces you'd desire in return for an underwhelming winger like Eberle.

Not if he puts up another 8 spot on the season, you won't.

Soderbergs impact on games last season was getting scored on a lot and not scoring much in return. Eberle had a much more positive impact.

 

[misfit]

Eberle also went from being on the top PP unit in Edmoton to anchoring the 2nd. That dropped his PP TOI/G by a full minute. That's going to have an affect on his point totals.

You'd have to think that on either the Isles or the Avs that he'd be on the #1 unit.

Add that to the fact that player almost always shoot around their career averages in shooting percentage, and in Eberle's case that's especially true. He's consistently around 13% each and every year. This year he was at 9%. That's 8 more goals for him this year (and 3 in the playoffs) in any other year where he isn't unlucky with the bounces.

Soderberg saw a similar drop in SH%, which should correct going forward, but even at his career averages, that puts him at 10 goals and 18 points. Still a major downturn.

 

[KCC]

Eberle also went from being on the top PP unit in Edmoton to anchoring the 2nd. That dropped his PP TOI/G by a full minute. That's going to have an affect on his point totals.

You'd have to think that on either the Isles or the Avs that he'd be on the #1 unit.

Add that to the fact that player almost always shoot around their career averages in shooting percentage, and in Eberle's case that's especially true. He's consistently around 13% each and every year. This year he was at 9%. That's 8 more goals for him this year (and 3 in the playoffs) in any other year where he isn't unlucky with the bounces.

He'll have a bounce back season and def be more impactful especially if he is moved to an East team. He'll be fine. But clearly doesn't fit in with EDM's plans anymore.

 

[oobga]

Eberle also went from being on the top PP unit in Edmoton to anchoring the 2nd. That dropped his PP TOI/G by a full minute. That's going to have an affect on his point totals.

You'd have to think that on either the Isles or the Avs that he'd be on the #1 unit.

Add that to the fact that player almost always shoot around their career averages in shooting percentage, and in Eberle's case that's especially true. He's consistently around 13% each and every year. This year he was at 9%. That's 8 more goals for him this year (and 3 in the playoffs) in any other year where he isn't unlucky with the bounces.

Soderberg saw a similar drop in SH%, which should correct going forward, but even at his career averages, that puts him at 10 goals and 18 points. Still a major downturn.

Keep in mind that drop to the 2nd unit was well earned. McLellan did all he could to try to get Eberle going last season until keeping him on the 1st PP and on McDavid's wing was looking like it was gonna cost the team the season. Something went really wrong with him this year. I suspect it's his work with a shooting coach last summer where he tried to add a 1-timer to his tool box, and it seemed to have gone horribly wrong. Whoever has him next year has to hope he fixes whatever he broke.

 

[Avelanche]

A 3C that managed 14 points and has 3 years left at 4.75? Or softer than baby **** Joe Colborne, who at one point went like 65 games without a goal? Retain max on both and I'd still say hell no.

Thanking my lucky stars you're not our GM. I know you don't like Eberle for some deep personal vendetta but to say he's not worth more than 32 year old 14 point Carl Soderberg is absurd.

The last thing we need are depth players from horrible hockey teams.

If Soderberg is a 3c than Eberle is a lazy useless PP specialist? We can use ridiculous HF exaggerations to rate both guys. Fair trade I guess.

 

[La Bamba]

If Soderberg is a 3c than Eberle is a lazy useless PP specialist? We can use ridiculous HF exaggerations to rate both guys. Fair trade I guess.

Eberle is very bad on the PP and lost his spot on the top unit to Letestu

 

[Macblender]

If Soderberg is a 3c than Eberle is a lazy useless PP specialist? We can use ridiculous HF exaggerations to rate both guys. Fair trade I guess.

Since Eberle entered the league this is the break down for points by RW from 2010-17:
1.Patrick Kane 496 GP 522 points
2.Phil Kessel 540 GP 468 points
3.Corey Perry 518 GP 446 points
4.Blake Wheeler 534 GP 441 points
5.Jakub Voracek 525 GP 400 points
6. Jordan Eberle 507 GP 382 points
7.Jarome Iginla 530 GP 380 points
8. Marian Hossa 477 GP 364 points
9. James Neal 477 GP 359 points

I people are very much under rating Eberle I will not say he is a top 6 RW in the league as there are for sure younger guys I would take over him that have not been in the league long enough to make it on this list. If you normalize this for games played it would be interesting.

I think people also need to keep in mind Eberle injured his shoulder in the pre season the year previous and never got a shot with McDavid when he came back McDavid went out with the broken collar bone. Eberle took awhile to get back into form and people keep saying he trended down in points in 2015-16 when he put up 47P but only played 69 Games so would of put up quite an average or below average season last year if he had played the full season (around 55 points).

Then it is rumored this year he had an elbow issue that just according to an HF board poster so who knows on that I would take it with a grain of salt.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If Soderberg is a 3c than Eberle is a lazy useless PP specialist? We can use ridiculous HF exaggerations to rate both guys. Fair trade I guess.

Well if we're being entirely truthful Soderberg produced more like a 4C last year, and a poor one at that.

Is that what he is going forward? Probably not, but I don't want to be the team that finds out firsthand and drops a 1RW to get him in the process.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Dreger tweeted out this morning that an Eberle move is likely next week - good interest. Chiarelli is taking his time here - probably good for Edmonton since Vegas makes the most sense.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Eberle is very bad on the PP and lost his spot on the top unit to Letestu

Letestu just fit the 1st unit PP better for two reasons, McDavid is very bad at faceoffs and Letestu can step in and take them for us and the 2nd reason is Letestu gets the puck off his stick quicker, Eberle dusts it off and picks his spot before releasing, which isn't what the coaches wanted.

Over the last 4 years 261 different forwards have played 200 mins or more of powerplaytime, in that list Eberle is the 37th most productive forward per 60 on the powerplay. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ards&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Eberle has some faults in his game, but I don't see any reason to make up stuff. Eberle is a good offensive player, whether that be the PP or even strength. Full Stop.

 

[AvsGuy]

He's not a 30-40 point guy. He's a 25- 30 point guy who caught lightning in a bottle one year.

Lol who posts to disagree over 5 points

Anyhow, if 44 points is a huge aberration for Colborne, what does that make 8 points

 

[Homesick]

If Soderberg is a 3c than Eberle is a lazy useless PP specialist? We can use ridiculous HF exaggerations to rate both guys. Fair trade I guess.

Soderberg most definitely is a 3C by every definition except his salary You went to crazy town calling Eberle a PP specialist when even in a down year he had 37 points which would make him your best EV strength producer

 

[oobga]

Letestu just fit the 1st unit PP better for two reasons, McDavid is very bad at faceoffs and Letestu can step in and take them for us and the 2nd reason is Letestu gets the puck off his stick quicker, Eberle dusts it off and picks his spot before releasing, which isn't what the coaches wanted.

Over the last 4 years 261 different forwards have played 200 mins or more of powerplaytime, in that list Eberle is the 37th most productive forward per 60 on the powerplay. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ards&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Eberle has some faults in his game, but I don't see any reason to make up stuff. Eberle is a good offensive player, whether that be the PP or even strength. Full Stop.

Eberle's puck dusting worked fine in those last 32 games with McDavid in 15/16. Think the issue was that he broke his shot last summer with his new shooting coach (change stick flex, length, mechanics, whatever it was). Guy couldn't aim a shot to save his life and the 1-timer he was supposed to have added from the shooting coach was nowhere to be found. His confidence just cratered and he could only put stuff in against the dregs of the league that would give him all the time in the world to shoot.