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- Jul 20, 2007
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One poor run of form does not make a goalie.
I don't think people would disagree that the top five goalies in the NHL in whatever order contain Rinne, Price, Quick, Rask, and Lundqvisk.
I don't think Price is a top-five goalie, and I'm sure Quick isn't.
Price has been real good the last year and a half, but he was pretty slightly above average for a long time before that. If you're like me, and subscribe to Colby Cosh's theory that don't get better, I think the last year and a half is mostly a run of great luck, which all sorts of goalies have, and 89 games isn't even a huge sample. His career numbers are good but not spectacular. I still take Luongo and Schneider over him, and I guess my big thing is that Price's career save percentage is exactly the same as Bernier's and Halak's. I sorta think most goalies are huddled around average, and that Rinne, Lundqvist, Rask, Schneider, and Luongo are really the exceptions.
I don't really get the Price obsession. It can't just be Habs homers, because even Habs fans undervalue Pacioretty and Subban a lot of the time (not to mention Gallagher and Galchenyuk who developed into legitimate barely-legal first line scorers without anyone much noticing - they'll be all-star candidates next year). Maybe people just like to romanticize goalies, I don't know.
Depends on the fan. If you have seen bad goaltending, you tend to appreciate good goaltending. As a Wild fan, I romanticize the hell out of goalies, because ours ****ing blow right now.
Take it from a fan whose team's best goalie got shafted with MS just as he was ready to take off; you can over analyze goaltending all day, but good goalies just find a way to win. It doesn't have to be pretty.
Rask looks rough right now, but he's still a winner. He'll be fine.
I don't think Price is a top-five goalie, and I'm sure Quick isn't.
Price has been real good the last year and a half, but he was pretty slightly above average for a long time before that. If you're like me, and subscribe to Colby Cosh's theory that don't get better, I think the last year and a half is mostly a run of great luck, which all sorts of goalies have, and 89 games isn't even a huge sample. His career numbers are good but not spectacular. I still take Luongo and Schneider over him, and I guess my big thing is that Price's career save percentage is exactly the same as Bernier's and Halak's. I sorta think most goalies are huddled around average, and that Rinne, Lundqvist, Rask, Schneider, and Luongo are really the exceptions.
I don't really get the Price obsession. It can't just be Habs homers, because even Habs fans undervalue Pacioretty and Subban a lot of the time (not to mention Gallagher and Galchenyuk who developed into legitimate barely-legal first line scorers without anyone much noticing - they'll be all-star candidates next year). Maybe people just like to romanticize goalies, I don't know.
Yes, let's count Price's performance at 21, but ignore his performances at 26 and 27. That's what you're doing -- giving more value to his early developing years than his current developed years. It's not 'luck' that Price is now an elite goalie, it's called 'entering his prime'.
As for Quick, ignoring playoff heroics and two Cups and looking only at regular-season stats misses the point of what a top-five goalie is. Quick steps up in the exact way and at the exact time a team needs it most. He did what Rask and Lundqvist couldn't (and what Price didn't get the chance to do last year).
In both these goalies' cases, your aim is off. You're looking at Price's past over his present, and you're looking at Quick's regular-season SV% over his Stanley Cup saves.
I respected him EXTREMELY LOT before this season.
I respected him EXTREMELY LOT before this season...
I had a discussion with my hockey friends and we were really torn on this one. The question is very simple. Do you think that he´s a TOP10 goalie in the NHL?
Personally, I still respect him a lot, but I´m starting to have some doubts.. Even Svedberg looks competitive to him right now.
So, based on three months of hockey he went from what most folks would consider one of the top 5 goalies in the league...to outside the top 10? Dear Lord.
Life is not a Daily Power Poll. Grab some perspective.
So, based on three months of hockey he went from what most folks would consider one of the top 5 goalies in the league...to outside the top 10? Dear Lord.
Life is not a Daily Power Poll. Grab some perspective.
I don't disagree with your assessment of Price I think he's really good but earlier in the thread weren't you downplaying Rask because he hasn't been elite that long, so why the double standard? Also Rask has been to the Stanley cup finals and was spectacular against Pittsburgh (and yes I'm aware he sucked vs the Habs last spring) but has proven he can do very well in the playoffs.
Well I also think his horrifyingly terrible play against Montreal in a vital playoff series had something to do with it.
Only among the overly impressionable and over-reactive.
Not directed at you, and sorry to be blunt. But if a poor playoff series (which Rask certainly had last spring) had that dramatic an impact on a goalie's standing, than most of the all-timers would be considered trash around here.
Rask is terrific. My last post was aimed at the other user's strange logic regarding Price. However it plays out, my point was that these are the key years for both goalies as they enter their primes. Their careers will be defined by what they're doing now and from here on, not by what they did five or six years ago.