bumblebeeman
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They need to send Pavs down. If someone claims him great. If he plays on the Moose, Ok you have to pay him big bucks but you will have to pay him big bucks anyways. We need to keep Hutch so we can expose him next year, otherwise we would not have extended him. Who cares if Hellybuck earns his NHL salary as opossed to his AHL.
Except the time when PMo ran with Hutch for extended periods of time, and went so far as to call it a platoon.
Hmmm...
I'm serious when I say that I dig the optimism around Helle here. I'm also excited about him taking the next step. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that it will be this year.
Statistically it is a no-brainer. But the jets are also considering contracts, waiver eligibility, expansion draft, etc when making roster decisions. I'd bet that they're also looking at this season, with all of the youth on this team, as developmental: that is, they are more concerned about helping the young guys/rookies adjust to the game and creating a positive team identity than they are with being competitive. I don't think they are looking at this team on paper and thinking "gee, we have a good shot at making the playoffs. Let's make sure we're doing everything we can to get us over the line". They don't want to spoil the development of individuals and the team at large by rushing/pushing anything. It's not management's MO.
They are in no rush to give Helle the starting job, let alone put him on the roster.
Next season is where everything finally comes together and takes of for him and the team imo.
Have to agree, was pretty stupid having the organizations best goalie playing in the AHL when he really had nothing to prove.
Pavs and Hutch have proven enough that neither is going to ever carry a team or become reliable number 1 starting netminders!
Hellebuyck took the "next step" a year ago. Some would argue he took that step during the IIHF Worlds in May 2015.
OK. No offense but you have somewhat lost me. You say statistically putting Helle in net is a "no-brainer," but then take about contracts, waivers, expansion draft, etc. You do realize that teams have bought out players with salaries that make Pavelec's contract look like chump change. Just look at the NY Islanders as exhibit "A."
You also point out about the youth movement. Not sure what you are trying to imply since this is a Hellebuyck thread, but Helle IS part of the youth movement. And yes, the Jets do have a shot at making the playoffs. To think otherwise is ridiculous. We're not the Oilers. I have no idea how setting your sights on the playoffs is "spoiling" our young players.
Well if the Jets want to deliberately tank the whole season, and finish dead last in the Conference, then why stop with Hellebuyck. Let's just leave Laine, Connor, and Morrissey rotting away in the minors as well.
If Connor Hellebuyck is not in the NHL this season it's going to be a crying shame. He's 23, going to be 24, he's had 2 years pro and has shown great. If your intentions are icing the best roster with the best chance to win, there is no good reason why he shouldn't be this teams no. 1 so long as he comes in and earns it. There is nothing left for Hellebuyck to do in the AHL from a development standpoint in my opinion, and the NHL is where he should be unless he shows otherwise.
At the same age in Carey Price's career (2010-11), he started 72 games.
At the same age in Henrik Lundqvist's career (2005-06), he started 53 games.
At the same age in Jonathan Quick's career (2009-10), he started 72 games.
The talk that a goaltender needs to be overdeveloped and over ripened is hogwash.
btw I still think it's Hutch that gets sent to the Moose to begin the year. Pavelec likely isn't an option (though he should be), and I think Helle is going to show well and earn his keep. I think we gave Hutch a very fair 2-year deal but I also think the organization and player knows there is a chance he could hit waivers and spend time in the AHL given the roster competition. Regardless, he's earning a good salary on a 2-year contract so for him personally that's a plus, and if he did hit waivers there could be other opportunity out there for him.
We all want and deserve a reprieve from the lacklustre goal tending of Ondrej Pavelec. I can't think of a single person on these boards who wouldn't rather see Helle in net.
But are the Jets really going to place Hutch or Pavs on waivers?
For example, if Hutch gets claimed, who do they have to meet expansion draft rules?
We all want and deserve a reprieve from the lacklustre goal tending of Ondrej Pavelec. I can't think of a single person on these boards who wouldn't rather see Helle in net.
But are the Jets really going to place Hutch or Pavs on waivers?
For example, if Hutch gets claimed, who do they have to meet expansion draft rules?
You mean the time that came before the time Maurice publicly said that Pavs was the number 1 guy and that the teams lack of success was in part to his injury?
Context is key here. At the time you're referring to (if I have it right) they were in a serious playoff hunt and so Maurice played the hot goalie. What happened to the platoon in the playoffs?
I'm serious when I say that I dig the optimism around Helle here. I'm also excited about him taking the next step. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that it will be this year.
Statistically it is a no-brainer. But the jets are also considering contracts, waiver eligibility, expansion draft, etc when making roster decisions. I'd bet that they're also looking at this season, with all of the youth on this team, as developmental: that is, they are more concerned about helping the young guys/rookies adjust to the game and creating a positive team identity than they are with being competitive. I don't think they are looking at this team on paper and thinking "gee, we have a good shot at making the playoffs. Let's make sure we're doing everything we can to get us over the line". They don't want to spoil the development of individuals and the team at large by rushing/pushing anything. It's not management's MO.
They are in no rush to give Helle the starting job, let alone put him on the roster.
Next season is where everything finally comes together and takes of for him and the team imo.
You are a polite poster and I appreciate it.
Sadly I fear you are right. Sadly I fear the Jets will not be willing to do the right thing early enough. I don't mind going for it with a younger team and if that causes us to fall short then so be it. My problem will be if we half go for it and half don't again. By that I mean we make room for some rookies like Laine but hold back on key prospects like Morrissey because we are stubbornly hanging in on failed veterans.
I would be thrilled with this scenario:
Hellybuyck gets his shot and gets minimum of 20 games and if we are winning and he is a big reason why then he is the starter and the club can figure out the rest.
As long as he looks good to go in camp Morrissey gets 20 games minimum in the first half of the season but not with Mark Stuart. If he looks good he sticks but not with Mark Stuart. That probably means Mark is in the press box as our 7-8 depth D man.
We pick our fighter (Thor or Peluso) and whomever we choose gets 20-25 games max on the 4th line.
I believe these three steps would be a sign that we are both developing our young talent and giving our team a shot to go for the playoffs at the same time.
Sadly when I wake up the real world will get in the way, I don't think our org can make the tough calls with popular vet players. They will talk themselves into the same old road blocks.
You are a polite poster and I appreciate it.
Sadly I fear you are right. Sadly I fear the Jets will not be willing to do the right thing early enough. I don't mind going for it with a younger team and if that causes us to fall short then so be it. My problem will be if we half go for it and half don't again. By that I mean we make room for some rookies like Laine but hold back on key prospects like Morrissey because we are stubbornly hanging in on failed veterans.
I would be thrilled with this scenario:
Hellybuyck gets his shot and gets minimum of 20 games and if we are winning and he is a big reason why then he is the starter and the club can figure out the rest.
As long as he looks good to go in camp Morrissey gets 20 games minimum in the first half of the season but not with Mark Stuart. If he looks good he sticks but not with Mark Stuart. That probably means Mark is in the press box as our 7-8 depth D man.
We pick our fighter (Thor or Peluso) and whomever we choose gets 20-25 games max on the 4th line.
I believe these three steps would be a sign that we are both developing our young talent and giving our team a shot to go for the playoffs at the same time.
Sadly when I wake up the real world will get in the way, I don't think our org can make the tough calls with popular vet players. They will talk themselves into the same old road blocks.
I am bit more optimistic. They made a tough call on a much more important and liked vet in Ladd.
They have shown that they sn banish Pavs to the bench if he isn't getting it done in net. Maurice rode Helle hard last year during the injury, that wasn't by accident it was testing him in numerous situations. This leads me to believe that they plan on turning to him soon.
Thor started on the 4th line last year and I have to think at best that's where he starts this year.
Stuart is the one player where I think Maurice and Co. Will mess up on. I'm near positive Maurice will trot him out as a courtesy no matter how well Morrissey looks in camp.
My one hope is Morrissey excels on the PP and the new assistant wants to run a 2nd unit with him on it necessitating him being on the team. In addition I'm hoping the new assistant refuses to entertain using Stuart on the PK. Perhaps both new guys are able to convince Maurice and Huddy on the ineffectiveness of players like Stuart.
IMHO, there is a 5% chance or lower Helly starts on the big club.
And yes, I realize he is the best goaltender in this organization. He probably was last year too, but for whatever asinine reason, this organization is dedicated to giving us the suckage of Ondrej Pavelec year after year while never once criticizing his play publicly.
He is the worst starting goaltender in the league, and I have come to accept that he will start game 1 next season. I have no faith in Maurice and Chevy picking the right goaltender. They are ****in pathetic when it comes to that.
The Jets most likely signed Hutch for the expansion draft.
If it comes down to Helle vs Pavs, I would place Pavelec on waivers, and then get him to mentor Comrie, since there is zero chance any NHL team will claim him off waivers due to his salary.
Helle is the future. It is a shame he is not the present.
Maybe it's just that dog-days-optimism that sweeps over me this time of the year, but I think the Jets mean to make noise this season and will give Hellebuyck the starter's role right out of the gate.
You are a polite poster and I appreciate it.
Sadly I fear you are right. Sadly I fear the Jets will not be willing to do the right thing early enough. I don't mind going for it with a younger team and if that causes us to fall short then so be it. My problem will be if we half go for it and half don't again. By that I mean we make room for some rookies like Laine but hold back on key prospects like Morrissey because we are stubbornly hanging in on failed veterans.
I would be thrilled with this scenario:
Hellybuyck gets his shot and gets minimum of 20 games and if we are winning and he is a big reason why then he is the starter and the club can figure out the rest.
As long as he looks good to go in camp Morrissey gets 20 games minimum in the first half of the season but not with Mark Stuart. If he looks good he sticks but not with Mark Stuart. That probably means Mark is in the press box as our 7-8 depth D man.
We pick our fighter (Thor or Peluso) and whomever we choose gets 20-25 games max on the 4th line.
I believe these three steps would be a sign that we are both developing our young talent and giving our team a shot to go for the playoffs at the same time.
Sadly when I wake up the real world will get in the way, I don't think our org can make the tough calls with popular vet players. They will talk themselves into the same old road blocks.