Player Discussion Is there anything redeeming about the Eric Staal trade?

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't think the cost of the Yandle trade was a problem, but I actually still maintain that deal made the team worse. The pairings were immediately thrown into disarray.

I have little problem with what the Rangers paid for Eric Staal. I think the bigger issue was targeting him in particular. Teddy Purcell would have been a better fit. Dale Weise would have been a better fit. There were better targets out there.

You have little problem with the Rangers doling out 3 assets for a shell of a player? Agree to disagree there.

 

[Tawnos]

You have little problem with the Rangers doling out 3 assets for a shell of a player? Agree to disagree there.

3 low grade assets on a bet that Staals problem was the Hurricanes, and his boredom there, and not the player himself. Sure, I think it's the right value. It didn't work out, because that's just how it goes sometimes. A little predictable. Very predictable, really. Risk is inherent to this.

 

[Mac n Gs]

3 low grade assets on a bet that Staals problem was the Hurricanes, and his boredom there, and not the player himself. Sure, I think it's the right value. It didn't work out, because that's just how it goes sometimes. A little predictable. Very predictable, really. Risk is inherent to this.

They also had to add to get them to retain 50% of his contract.

 

[Jersey Girl]

3 low grade assets on a bet that Staals problem was the Hurricanes, and his boredom there, and not the player himself. Sure, I think it's the right value. It didn't work out, because that's just how it goes sometimes. A little predictable. Very predictable, really. Risk is inherent to this.

Disagree with calling them 'low-grade' assets. Has a different effect when we've already shipped out so many prospect and draft picks. Every one you do have becomes that much more valuable.

So we shipped them out for 20 games of Eric Staal and one playoff run.

Jeesh

 

[SA16]

Disagree with calling them 'low-grade' assets. Has a different effect when we've already shipped out so many prospect and draft picks. Every one you do have becomes that much more valuable.

So we shipped them out for 20 games of Eric Staal and one playoff run.

Jeesh

A 7th round pick doesn't become more valuable if you've traded your 1st-6th rounders.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

They also had to add to get them to retain 50% of his contract.

Why did they "have to add"? Carolina wanted to trade Staal. Staal wanted to go to the Rangers. The only way that could happen was for Carolina to eat some salary to fit in with the Rangers' cap situation.


If they had to add, they could have walked away from the deal. That is an option.

 

[TheTakedown]

Why did they "have to add"? Carolina wanted to trade Staal. Staal wanted to go to the Rangers. The only way that could happen was for Carolina to eat some salary to fit in with the Rangers' cap situation.


If they had to add, they could have walked away from the deal. That is an option.

again, that deal had Sather written all over it.

It's unlikely we see one of these deals again for awhile.

 

[Tawnos]

Why did they "have to add"? Carolina wanted to trade Staal. Staal wanted to go to the Rangers. The only way that could happen was for Carolina to eat some salary to fit in with the Rangers' cap situation.


If they had to add, they could have walked away from the deal. That is an option.

Retaining salary has value attached to it. Those are real dollars, not just numbers on a piece of paper.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Retaining salary has value attached to it. Those are real dollars, not just numbers on a piece of paper.

So what was the add? The extra second?

 

[Tawnos]

So what was the add? The extra second?

My guess is that it was either making it a 2nd instead of a 3rd or 4th. Or something like Saarela instead of Bernhardt. That kind of thing.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

My guess is that it was either making it a 2nd instead of a 3rd or 4th. Or something like Saarela instead of Bernhardt. That kind of thing.

I think that's insane. Especially since Staal had the final say on where he would go. If that's what it was going to take, you walk away.

 

[Tawnos]

Then you walk away.

I honestly don't see how it's that big of a difference to walk away over. 2nd round draft picks are barely more likely to work out than 3rd. Saarela is a B level prospect, compared to a C level prospect. You aren't talking about a huge ask here.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I honestly don't see how it's that big of a difference to walk away over.

Adding an extra second just to eat salary on a guy they wanted to move and who dictate where he would go? Or upgrading the prospect? That's nuts.

 

[Tawnos]

Adding an extra second just to eat salary on a guy they wanted to move and who dictate where he would go? Or upgrading the prospect? That's nuts.

I didn't say adding a second. I said upgrading a pick. Without retention, the deal maybe looks more like a 2nd, a 3rd and Saarela.

I think you're overstating the value of these assets.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

That's just silly, SBOB.

If they had been bounced in the first, I'd agree with you. They weren't. They made the SCF.

That move was made to win the Cup. And when you look at what they gave up it's a bust.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I didn't say adding a second. I said upgrading a pick. Without retention, the deal maybe looks more like a 2nd, a 3rd and Saarela.

Semantics.

I think you're overstating the value of these assets.

When a team lacks assets, you can't overstate value of assets.

 

[Tawnos]

Semantics.



When a team lacks assets, you can't overstate value of assets.

No, not semantics. There's a big difference between upgrading an already offered asset and adding in a whole extra one.

On the lack of assets, that is why it was pretty clearly stated this was a last hurrah sort of trade. The failure here wasn't on the part of the GM making the trade in terms of the assets given up. It was on the professional scouting, including by said GM, that led them to believe Eric Staal would be a good fit on the roster. Eric Staal with retention gets that package back from whatever team acquires him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

No, not semantics. There's a big difference between upgrading an already offered asset and adding in a whole extra one.

On the lack of assets, that is why it was pretty clearly stated this was a last hurrah sort of trade. The failure here wasn't on the part of the GM making the trade in terms of the assets given up. It was on the professional scouting, including by said GM, that led them to believe Eric Staal would be a good fit on the roster. Eric Staal with retention gets that package back from whatever team acquires him.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

again, that deal had Sather written all over it.

It's unlikely we see one of these deals again for awhile.

Gorton was the GM.

And if Sather has that much power still, what makes you think the thinking is going to change?

Anyway, we can argue about the value given up for Staal all day, but my biggest issue is that they went after him in the first place. This is a guy that is quite clearly on the decline - and the team wasn't competitive enough to reconcile the possibility that a change in scenery would turn his play around.

 

[Pizza]

Absolutely Nothing.

One of the worst deals made by this organization in a long time.

 

[Thirty One]

When a team lacks assets, you can't overstate value of assets.

Do you believe this to be literally true?

 

[n8]

this team would have been better off having not acquired E Staal. Isn't that abundantly clear?

 

[Thirty One]

this team would have been better off having not acquired E Staal. Isn't that abundantly clear?

Yes. Literally no one is arguing that the trade turned out good for the Rangers.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

There were those 3 games where Stalberg-Staal-Lindberg were the best line before AV went AV.

But yeah...really stupid trade.

 

[FLYLine27*]

again, that deal had Sather written all over it.

It's unlikely we see one of these deals again for awhile.

Please stop.

Gorton is the GM.

Don't blame Sather.

GORTON IS THE GM.

Sather never made a **** ass trade like this in the last decade.