Is there a reason Patrick Kane is never named as a top 5 player?

[icekoob]

In terms of being a pure goal scorer he has to be top 3.

 

[icekoob]

The cab thing happened but how can you claim sexual assault when he was cleared on all charges? With everything that came out from that, you think he still did it?

Clearly just repeating stuff he heard or doesn't know about. Evidence that the accuser falsified information as well as having multiple men's DNA in her lady parts with none being his... open and shut.

 

[KingBran]

Because he is not top 5?

 

[bobholly39]

Most lists/discussions I see have Crosby McDavid and Karlsson as top 3.

Kane and Malkin usually round out the top 5.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

In terms of being a pure goal scorer he has to be top 3.

why? he's not even top 10 in goals scored since the start of last year

 

[Habs Halifax]

Because he is a winger? Most credit typically goes to Centers and #1D men.

 

[Habs Halifax]

why? he's not even top 10 in goals scored since the start of last year

Cherry picking a 100 game (+/-) sample size is not fair to Kane IMO. It would like me saying Mathews is not even in the top 100 in goal scoring over the last 3 or 4 years

 

[bobholly39]

Cherry picking a 100 game (+/-) sample size is not fair to Kane IMO. It would like me saying Mathews is not even in the top 100 in goal scoring over the last 3 or 4 years

Cherry picking has nothing to do with it.

Kane has broken 40 goals once in his career - his next highest total being 34. He's a good goal scorer, gotten better in recent years, but i wouldn't have him top 3.

Ovechkin
Stamkos
Crosby
Kucherov
Tarasenko

Then you have guys like Matthews and Laine and maybe a few others.

Yeah - not top 3, and certainly not "has to be top 3" as the other poster implied.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Clearly just repeating stuff he heard or doesn't know about. Evidence that the accuser falsified information as well as having multiple men's DNA in her lady parts with none being his... open and shut.

Situations like this are why I feel there should be harsher penalties for lying about such a brutal thing. People hear the story.....people are told to always believe. Not everyone hears the follow-up. This is a classic case where a guy did absolutely nothing wrong but the action is still held against him because someone is willing to parrot half of a story.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

He's kinda small and bad defensively.

He is actually ok now in that end and has been for a few years

Still has moments when he can be lax on it on rare nights but most nights he puts in honest effort

 

[maacoshark]

He's kinda small and bad defensively.

Bad defensively is an understatement. Kane doesn't play defense. That is probably why he isn't rated higher.

 

[maacoshark]

He is actually ok now in that end and has been for a few years

Still has moments when he can be lax on it on rare nights but most nights he puts in honest effort

He floats around too much.

 

[daver]

ok? but other plays do that while maintaining responsible defensive play and playing against top competition. There's a reason why players like Gordie Howe are seen as better than Jagr. I have no idea where your reluctance to admit being a second line winger with offensive deployments should be seen as less impressive than a #1 C who dominates the top competition in the league comes from, but it's a bit pointless

You made it sound like no amount of points would overcome him being a sheltered 2nd line winger. And re you sure he doesn't get the other team's top d-pairing while Toews usually goes against the other team's top line? Of course these matchups are more likely when a team hasx last change.

As I said, when a player is given the role of scoring and is used that way and delivers, that's the most effective way a Top 6 forward can contribute to their team.

 

[Hawkaholic]

He should be. I can't name 5 players who have been better than him the last 3+ years. Crosby, McDavid, Karlsson...?

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Before Mcdavid came along he was generally in the top 5 forwards, especially after his 108 point season.

BTW, Matthews has not done enough to earn a top 5 spot, possibly not top ten.

 

[JaegerDice]

He was considered the best player in the league in 2016 and regularly considered a top5 winger between 2013-2015.

The fact that he's fairly one-dimensional offensive winger and the reality of his sheltered deployment does factor into considerations of overall value/impact, but he compensated for that and then some in 2016 by breaking 100 points.

Once he reached that tier of production, the awards came.

In all but 2 seasons of his career he's been on pace for and/or reached between 80-90 points, which he's on track for again this season. In 2012 he was way below, in 2016 way above. Both are anomalous and unlikely to ever happen again. 80-90 points is excellent production, and his consistency is incredible, but it's not elite Crosby/Malkin/McDavid/etc production, and Crosby and McDavid do it against the other team's best.

 

[canuck2010]

Because he isn't. Great skills but an easier player to handle than some of the others ahead of him on the list. Overall not the skater of some of the others and smaller physically.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Care to elaborate?

Mocking you in Russian accent speaking English - Kane and Toews style.

 

[MessierII]

Patrick Kane has finished under a ppg a bunch of times. Get your facts straight OP.

 

[sharkhawk]

Patrick Kane has finished under a ppg a bunch of times. Get your facts straight OP.

2007-08, 08-09 and 11-12 is 3 times out of 10 seasons. His rookie and sophomore seasons and the year when they tried to make him a center

 

[TOGuy14]

He is not canadian, else he would be a shoe in for top 5 FORWARD(Which seems to be what this thread is really all about).

What does Canadian have to do with it?

I would take Kucherov over him AINEC.

 

[ijuka]

He floats around too much.

But where does it show? The eye test? The reality is his CF% is solid, his GF% is solid and he puts up tons of points. If you're excellent defensively but terrible offensively, you might be a decent 4th liner. If you're excellent offensively but terrible defensively, you are a star.

There are dozens of guys who can execute and defend within the system but there are only a few players who can be a threat like Kane with the puck on his stick. And remember, being a winger, he has the least important defensive responsibilities on his line. It's not like he's a C where being bad defensively could be a big deal.


We actually arrive at my argument that being a great offensive player as a C is perhaps not as good as being one as a winger because of the added defensive responsibilities possibly holding you back. How do you think Gaudreau could do his thing as a C, for instance? It's just a relic of outdated thinking.

 

[nickdawg95]

Matthews has done absolutely nothing to be considered top 5.

In his only season he was out-scored by Leon Draisaitl and Jack Eichel who finished 10 and 11 in PPG.

Guess they're both top 5.

I'm a buffalo fan, but honestly get real matthews scored 40 goals in his rookie season if eichel did that he'd be making noise !

 

[TMLeafs17]

Almost everyone lists him as a top 3 winger.

 

[DrJustice]

He's having an average season by his standards so far but I have a feeling he'll still finish Top-10 in scoring. He's certainly missing Panarin a little right now though.

He's still amazing but guys like Kucherov and Gaudreau are just a little more deserving of being in the discussion.