No futures son.They never invested in futures or put any effort in to actually rebuilding the team.
They spent the draft picks NHL gives teams for doing poorly and drafted a couple of really good players with those picks.
I guess the "building" is now over. What they built is a clunker...
I think it's over.
This franchise is going to go all in.
Umm, they already did? What do they have left to go "all in" with?
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Not every rebuild equals scorched earth.
It’s not that it can’t work, it just hasn’t been a definitive best way of working.
In our cup finals team, 9 players on the roster were drafted by the Canucks: Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa, Hansen, Raymond and Schneider. So that’s 3 x 1st line players, a 2nd line player, a top pairing defensemen, a middle pairing defensemen, 2 x 3rd liners, and a back up goalie.
Can we extract a similar core from Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Virtanen, Podkolzin, Hughes, Juolevi, Woo, Gaudette, Demko, and others? If so, we might be okay. Keep in mind it took about 5 years to build a true contender from the point the Sedins started to look worth building around. Is this the right base to add to?
Things have to work out very well for that to be the case. Ownership and management are gambling on some long shots right now. Pettersson has to prove he has the durability to play a full season... Miller and Myers have to justify their costs... Hughes and some other young defensemen, like Juolevi or Woo, have to assume the importance of Tanev and Elder... Demko has to stay healthy. That's a lot to go right... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
My guess is that this will prove to be a false start and that it will take at least 3-5 years of competent management and meddle free ownership right this ship and to get us out of the re-build/re-tool phase.
What needs to change? Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, Horvat are not the right personnel to build a team around? I can tell you that this is the most talented core of young talent I have ever seen on the Canucks. At some point you have to start building a supporting cast, unless you want to go the route of the Oilers and start a brand new rebuild right after a previous 6 year rebuild.
Serious question though, what changes would make if you are the new GM of the Canucks.
What needs to change? Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, Horvat are not the right personnel to build a team around? I can tell you that this is the most talented core of young talent I have ever seen on the Canucks. At some point you have to start building a supporting cast, unless you want to go the route of the Oilers and start a brand new rebuild right after a previous 6 year rebuild.
Serious question though, what changes would make if you are the new GM of the Canucks.
I really like the young guys, I really do, but can we stop with some of this? We just had a core that had a NHL MVP, Selke award winner, a Vezina quality goalie. That team will have multiple Hall of famers on it. We would be more than blessed to see that again in our life time.
I honestly don't think we have enough young pieces yet and don't think we will with the way this team has been constructed, we will probably waste Horvats prime, and may eat up into BB and Peterson.
This type of stuff is maniacal.What should we be doing then, going for more another top 3 or 5 pick? With the way the salary cap is structured, you hit the saturation point on top end talent fairly quickly. For example, if we get another Pettersson, or even Boeser level player in the draft, we won't have enough cap space to keep everyone. Somebody's gonna have to go, so it seems pointless gathering more elite players. Time to build the supporting cast.
This org's goal isn't long term contender, it's playoffs this year.
Why only this year? All 5 additions to the team are multi-year contracts.
Looks to me like the goal is to push for the playoffs this year, as well as the following handful of years afterwards.
What should we be doing then, going for more another top 3 or 5 pick? With the way the salary cap is structured, you hit the saturation point on top end talent fairly quickly. For example, if we get another Pettersson, or even Boeser level player in the draft, we won't have enough cap space to keep everyone. Somebody's gonna have to go, so it seems pointless gathering more elite players. Time to build the supporting cast.
I don't think that this team was ever "rebuilding" or even "retooling".
It's too late now though, we have young talent, and if we try to restart now, were just pissing away talent.
We've actively traded futures for "now" players in the recent past, and now, but now the pieces going out are conditional on some measurable success.
Come the f*** on. This is a ridiculous take. Absolutely ridiculous.For example, if we get another Pettersson, or even Boeser level player in the draft, we won't have enough cap space to keep everyone. Somebody's gonna have to go, so it seems pointless gathering more elite players. Time to build the supporting cast.
It’s like when people think it’s better to make less money so as not to cross into the next tax bracket.Come the **** on. This is a ridiculous take. Absolutely ridiculous.
It’s like when people think it’s better to make less money so as not to cross into the next tax bracket.
Come the **** on. This is a ridiculous take. Absolutely ridiculous.
Except we can't cross into the next tax bracket. If we get another elite player, we are going to have to sacrifice some depth to accommodate that elite level salary. You have to have a balanced line-up, and the salary cap makes that tricky.