Is Sidney Crosby on track to be (or already is) the 4th best forward ever?

[Golden Puppers]

I was thinking about this. He's clearly surpassed the Sakic/Yzerman/Forsberg tier of all-time forwards. I believe he was/is better than Jagr. Too young to have seen or really understood Believeau/Richard's careers but based on the stats and accomplishments, looks like Sid is above them too.

That leaves us Gretzky, Lemieux and Howe as the only guys I can really put above Sid. Am I out to lunch here? Forgetting anyone else? Do you agree or disagree?

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[Midnight Judges]

You're forgetting the guy who entered the NHL the same year as Sid and has 215 more goals, more MVPs, and way more hardware.

 

[Benedict Kovalchuk]

He's top 10 for sure, but not a sure #4. Never dominated his peers like those ahead of him.

 

[Golden Puppers]

You're forgetting the guy who entered the NHL the same year as Sid and has 215 more goals, more MVPs, and way more hardware.

I'm not forgetting about Alex at all. He's another all-time great but Sid is just simply better, comfortably but not by alot.

You wanna throw the goals argument out there, if Crosby had Ovechkin's GP, he'd have like 150-200 more points than him.

 

[um]

It’s very close... of the top of my head I’d take Jagr and Hull over him, maybe a couple other guys. Like I said it’s close, but Jagr and Hull really separate themselves when you compare individual trophies to Crosby.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I'm not forgetting about Alex at all. He's another all-time great but Sid is just simply better, comfortably but not by alot.

You wanna throw the goals argument out there, if Crosby had Ovechkin's GP, he'd have like 150-200 more points than him.

Key word "if". Players are judged on what they did, not what they might have or could have done.

 

[mikeyp24]

Not even the best of his generation...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm not forgetting about Alex at all. He's another all-time great but Sid is just simply better, comfortably but not by alot.

You wanna throw the goals argument out there, if Crosby had Ovechkin's GP, he'd have like 150-200 more points than him.

Durability matters ya know

 

[Koolboss]

You're forgetting the guy who entered the NHL the same year as Sid and has 215 more goals, more MVPs, and way more hardware.

Are you talking about the guy who has two less cups and is not a center?

 

[7even]

Key word "if". Players are judged on what they did, not what they might have or could have done.

Yes, and you have to extend that beyond just counting stats. Crosby doesn't have the individual hardware that Ovi does but holistically, over the last fifteen years, Crosby's body of work and what he's done on the ice in the games he's played is legitimately remarkable.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Ovechkin probably better career but Crosby will always be given edge in media

 

[Mbraunm]

I’d take Jagr and Hull over Crosby at this point. However, Crosby still has 7-10 years left.

 

[Passchendaele]

No he's not and he won't be.

Howe's longevity has no equal.

And over either one of Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux is a big NO.

 

[Brucelenok]

I'm not forgetting about Alex at all. He's another all-time great but Sid is just simply better, comfortably but not by alot.

You wanna throw the goals argument out there, if Crosby had Ovechkin's GP, he'd have like 150-200 more points than him.

IF Lindros could kept his head up, he could be Top 3 forwards of all time.
IF Ovechkin played 10 more games in 09-10, he would swept all awards just like he did in 07-08
IF Tom Wilson and Ryan Reaves never fought, they would be friends

 

[Passchendaele]

Ovechkin probably better career but Crosby will always be given edge in media

He was handed a Conn Smythe by the media.

 

[um]

No he's not and he won't be.

Howe's longevity has no equal.

And over either one of Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux is a big NO.

The thread is for forwards only.

 

[Brucelenok]

No he's not and he won't be.

Howe's longevity has no equal.

And over either one of Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux is a big NO.

The question states forwards, but otherwise agree

 

[Legionnaire]

No.

They made rules to slow Gretz down. They made rules to protect and prop up Crosby. That creates a huge gulf between the two.

 

[solidmotion]

You're forgetting the guy who entered the NHL the same year as Sid and has 215 more goals, more MVPs, and way more hardware.

this site needs downvotes

 

[Plural]

No he's not and he won't be.

Howe's longevity has no equal.

And over either one of Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux is a big NO.

Orr wasn't a forward

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

this site needs downvotes

I'm not sure. I think it's pretty valid to consider a guy who will probably lead the league in goals for an 8th time, and also has led in points before. Has a cup, believe he led playoffs in goals last season. I think it's a little unreasonable to just dismiss him.

 

[Randyne]

You're forgetting the guy who entered the NHL the same year as Sid and has 215 more goals, more MVPs, and way more hardware.

And has no Malkin as a teammate

 

[Honour Over Glory]

And has no Malkin as a teammate

Yeah, I mean it sucks Crosby has no Kuznetsov or Backstrom, just that bum that isn't even top 100, Evgeni Malkin.

 

[Stephen]

Interesting that as of tonight, Crosby and Ovechkin each have 1210 career points.

 

[Ctrain2k]

No.

They made rules to slow Gretz down. They made rules to protect and prop up Crosby. That creates a huge gulf between the two.

Does that mean McDavid wins? They just ignore the rules for him.