Is Ray Shero the best trader in the league?

[Luigi Lemieux]

Shero was always underrated. I never understood the complaints against Shero with the Penguins but I guess thats because I'm a Wings fan and we accept 2 decades worth of a GM who won't even bother to put himself in a position where he might lose a headline-worthy trade as opposed to Pens fans who wouldn't accept Shero having a couple off years.

After the 2014 loss to NYR (after leading 3 games to 1) it marked five consecutive years losing to a lower seed in the playoffs. It was obvious Bylsma couldn't make the proper adjustments and they were wasting Crosby and Malkins primes.

Bylsma should have been fired after the implosion in 2012 against Philly and at the very least after getting swept by Boston in 2013. Since Shero refused to remove Bylsma they both got removed.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Has he? That Zacha pick looks horrendous at the moment.

Doesn't getting Jesper Bratt in the 6th round make up for that?

 

[Maple Leaf]

Doesn't getting Jesper Bratt in the 6th round make up for that?

no thas was jus luck

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yea, probably.

 

[Daximus]

Shero is pretty damn good. Have to hand it to Poille in recent years too.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Shero has a solid plan. He collected as many pieces as he could in middle round draft picks.

Then he waited for when another team really needed something. Like cap relief or a specific position and he took advantage of it.

There hasn’t been a situation in NJ where he seems have been forced to make a deal, which is why he is doing so well on them.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Gonna have to give it to Poile on this one

 

[VoidCreature]

Has he? That Zacha pick looks horrendous at the moment.

Because this is the only pick he has made since he became Devils GM, yes?

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Would be interesting to see him and Yzerman make a trade, even Cheveldayoff who's pulled some really good ones.

Chevy turned Evander Kane, Bogosian into Roslovic, Myers, Stafford (now gone), Lemieux and Armia. Kane looks like he's on his way out and Bogosian is getting injured lots.
Ladd into Logan Stanley and Marko Dano.
Hasn't done lots or any moves to shoot the team in the foot, but the only bad trade Chevy did do was Setoguchi for a 2nd.

 

[R8Devs]

Because this is the only pick he has made since he became Devils GM, yes?

same guy who made that post made this post on a earlier Hischier thread lol (first post): http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/swiss-hit-or-swiss-miss-nico-hischier.2383393/page-3

doesn't seem to form his arguments on the best foundations

 

[Emperoreddy]

Would be interesting to see him and Yzerman make a trade, even Cheveldayoff who's pulled some really good ones.

Chevy turned Evander Kane, Bogosian into Roslovic, Myers, Stafford (now gone), Lemieux and Armia. Kane looks like he's on his way out and Bogosian is getting injured lots.
Ladd into Logan Stanley and Marko Dano.
Hasn't done lots or any moves to shoot the team in the foot, but the only bad trade Chevy did do was Setoguchi for a 2nd.

Shero won’t deal with Yzerman because you can’t outfox a fox.

Murray didn’t do bad on his trade today though. It was the Palmieri trade where Shero stole the cookie jar.

 

[Bcap88]

Has he? That Zacha pick looks horrendous at the moment.

That was a conte/lou pick

 

[Emperoreddy]

That was a conte/lou pick

He is also only 20. Not every kid develops st the same pace. HF is way too trigger happy to label kids busts.

 

[Dale Best Goalie]

You make this thread after he loses a trade eh

How'd he lose tho

 

[Bcap88]

He is also only 20. Not every kid develops st the same pace. HF is way too trigger happy to label kids busts.

Wasn’t labeling him a bust but it was a Lou/conte pick not a Shero pick

 

[Emperoreddy]

Wasn’t labeling him a bust but it was a Lou/conte pick not a Shero pick

More of a Shero/Conte pick.

 

[Bcap88]

More of a Shero/Conte pick.

So a conte pick since he had full control of who he wanted to draft which was given to him by Lou

 

[Emperoreddy]

Loyalty seems to be the downfall for almost every good GM. Loyalty to players that lead to bad contracts, or in Ray’s case loyalty to his coach in Disco Dan.

I get it though. Hard to be 100% with the “this is a business” side of things when you get to know your players and staff.

 

[Bleedred]

Let's wait and see how Vatanen will pan out first. Henrique was a big part of our team even when struggling.

Fine

Forgetting this trade, he still traded a #3-4 defenseman for Taylor Hall (complete joke of a trade on Chiarelli) got Kyle Palmieri for a 2nd round pick, got Marcus Johansson for just a 2nd round pick from a division rival. You can forget about this trade and still say he's won most of them by leaps and bounds.

The Mueller trade might have been overpayment, but I feel this was going rate for defensemen last summer. The Quincey for Prout trade was supposedly an under the table deal for the Blue Jackets giving us a cap dump, in exchange for not asking for a compensation pick for plucking him out of Columbus. The point of that trade was never to get value.

 

[Bleedred]

This is a trade that's good for both teams, by the way. It isn't lopsided like some of his other deals or a nonsensical, only in video games trade, like acquiring Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

 

[markog]

Shero's problem in Pittsburgh was
1. his loyalty to Dan Bylsma...a true mediocre coach who would rather give ice time to grinders than young players with potential
2. His obsession with drafting undersized puck moving d-men in the top rounds...most of which busted or at least did not meet expectations. His theory was that D is always a hot commodity, and he was right, but he'd go and sign an over the hill Mark Eaton or Rob Scuderi instead of giving a young guy a chance thus stunting their growth and any trade value they might have. As we have seen, he did find some gems in the mid-rounds. So far, he's looking like a better drafter than JR (who seems to be obsessed with picking rugged, physical d-men for some unknown reason), but time will tell with that.

He always got great value in trades, and would potentially still be in Pittsburgh if he did not bizarrely fall on his sword for Disco Dan.

You can't put drafting all on GM, it's the scouts who do the majority of the job and influence who to pick. And I think in Pittsburgh he was under more pressure from owner(s) to do stuff to win.

 

[Unknown Caller]

More of a Shero/Conte pick.

Shero had none of his staff in place and was there about a month. He had no input on the selection. It was absolutely a Lou/Conte pick.

 

[RememberTheName]

Has he? That Zacha pick looks horrendous at the moment.

Castron didn't draft him, that was still a Conte pick if I recall

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Shero had none of his staff in place and was there about a month. He had no input on the selection. It was absolutely a Lou/Conte pick.

Had Shero and Castron been at the helm for the 2015 draft and not Lamoriello and Conte. I wonder who they would have picked? With their emphasis on skill and speed. It would truly have been an intriguing pick. And I am 99.99% sure a great pick. Just night and day to the philosophy of Conte and Lou.

 

[135ace]

Had Shero and Castron been at the helm for the 2015 draft and not Lamoriello and Conte. I wonder who they would have picked? With their emphasis on skill and speed. It would truly have been an intriguing pick. And I am 99.99% sure a great pick. Just night and day to the philosophy of Conte and Lou.

I guess the sexy choice would be Barzal. Imagine how good we'd look right now if that had been the case. But I have a feeling Shero would have went BPA and picked one of Werenski/Provorov which would leave us looking like a different team now (who knows if we still trade for Hall or get to pick Nico if that happens).