John Eichel da GOAT
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I agree with this, but why is Hall never throw in with the McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon, Eichel, Scheifele, Laine, etc.. arguments. Age?
Is McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon the new Big Three?
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Mrb1p
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Matthews needs to do something before he can be put with these two, please. Matthews is in the same tier as the other PPG players, and behind Crosby, Malkin, Kucherov, Karlsson.
What has Matthews done that hasn't been done by Seguin, Stamkos, Tavares, Barzal, Scheifele, Eichel, etc ?
What has Matthews done that hasn't been done by Seguin, Stamkos, Tavares, Barzal, Scheifele, Eichel, etc ?
Mrb1p
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As much as Matthews, which is a rookie season around .6 PPG, a 2nd season on a PPG and a 3rd on PPG.
And that's the only stat that is comparable. Matthews kills him in everything else. And only Matthews gets knocked for no "70" point season. Maathews had a 40 goal season as a rookie. Eichel has never cored 30.
Mrb1p
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Matthews is a goal scorer, Eichel is not. Matthews never topped 30 assists, what about this ?
Matthews has scored more points and more goals. Matthews plays a lot less (Even this year) and produces more.
Mrb1p
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The only year where that is true is in their rookie season, Matthews does not produce substantially more than Eichel.
Also, we both know which is the way worst supporting cast.
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the difference in their production is less than mathews with the macs
karnige
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both have comparable stats. are on the same tier. willing Matthews isn't changing it. accept they are both great players.
You're take on scheifele is garbage
He's "maybe" a top 15 centre. No he's absolutely a top 10 centre
Scheifele has score more than Matthews in the last 2 seasons
And did waýyyyyyy better than matthews did in the playoffs who could score only 2 points
While scheifele lead his team to the western conference finals
14 goals in 17 games
20 points>>>>>2 points AINEC
If I would rather have had scheifele in the playoffs last year, that doesn't change a few games into this season
Matthews gets tons of respect.
It’s not about that. No one even denies how good he is. It’s the media overblowing a hot start just like last year. We’ve seen this episode before. Yes, Matthews looks much better then last year but he’s still not Connor McDavid and this obsession from the Toronto based media to compare their best with THE best And SOME (not many) but SOME leaf fans overblow his value. I just called him the second best young forward in the game. That’s extremely high praise considering the other talents out there. I’ve seen every game Matthews has played this season except the last one versus the pens but from what I hear it wasn’t much to miss due to good defensive work by the Pens.
Anyway your right in a way that all that love can backfire and produce hate and it’s really no fault of the player of most of the fan base but this whole “no respect unless he leaves Toronto” I don’t buy. Sundin, Gilmour, Clark, Joseph got tons of respect. Maybe people want him to win more hardware or a round before they give him praise. Is it fair? No, not really but that’s now how it works here. It could be a lot worse. He could dominate every game and be stuck next to a team of nobodies and get injured every year. With how good he is and how good the team is, and being front and center in every site, article, headline, highlight, if he does great (which he is now) it will NOT go unnoticed.
Isn’t this a thread claiming how Matthews is in this so called big three anyway? What’s the problem?
Almost every team would love to have him he’s leading in scoring and your team is 6-2. But it’s two weeks into the season! No one is going to declare him the best player in hockey two weeks into the season even though there’s been plenty of talk on tv, radio and on here if he is....he gets more coverage then any player I’ve seen in twenty years on shows like hockey central. No idea what there is to be upset about.
I agree.
I couldn’t believe I read someone say that about scheifele. Btw this is unrelated but I saw your not worth “early but not worth ten million, that’s for sure” in the other thread came after the worst game you could ever say that about, seeing as it was his best game of the season and had you seen it you wouldn’t of said it. Lol. All that matters though is production but yeah, he plays that way every game he will have 90 points with ease. It’s a 8 year deal and people forget that about this deal it just started, with the cap going up every year and thinking about how much better he will get over those years it’s a very fair contract. That’s just what I wanted to say but got distracted. It’s all good if you feel that way though, everyone’s entitled to their opinion.
As for scheifele, he’s the guy right there with Mackinnon barkov Matthews eichel they’re all in the same tier of center. Some may be ahead of others and Eichels probably last in that group for now despite all the effort because that’s how it goes but anyone calling scheifele not the same tier after a few games into the year is ridiculous. He’s arguably a top 5 center.
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148 points in 154 games (0.96 PPG)
182 points in 216 games (0.84 PPG)
Which one do you think is the better scorer? Auston Matthews is also better defensively so you’re gonna have to do better job convincing me that Eichel and Matthews are in the same tier.
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I am not clinging to anything. It is fact. Hilarious that Leaf fans ignored the GP in the Laine rookie year.
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I can't help but agree, but that's not why I'm replying to this. I'm replying because, damnit Jebediah, your avatar is awesome!
AvsFan29
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Not sure why people think Matthews is great defensively when he has 11 ES points and is a +- 0
Last time I checked the season was not 8 games long. Maybe I am wrong? Did that change?
No, you’re right. Perhaps read what I was replying to then ask that question again.
Anchoring an entire team?
You know what eichel has done (statistics are extremely close every season) and I don’t have to repeat it.
Try watching him, even when he gets no points he’s still arguably the best player on the ice like last game versus the sharks.
You really wouldn’t have to even ask this if you watched. The only other guy on the team with goals is Sheary, two of which were plays eichel created. It’s absolutely ridiculous how little talent there is on buffalo right now. Or they got it and it’s eiher too young and inexperienced. Guys have been snake bitten but this is ridiculous now.
Besides no one even says eichel is better then Matthews. If you’re insulted he’s compared to him, again you really pay no attention at all to the games he plays. Avs fans and sharks fans both said he was far and way the best sabres and in those games buffalo lost 6-1 and 5-1. 8 chances against the sharks of real quality and if I remember correctly besides having a highlight reel goal he created called off against the avs he had at least five quality chances then too. He’s top ten in shots and sooner or later there going to find their way in.
AvsFan29
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Ok, then you would know how good he is at stripping the puck, being in good position in his own zone and boxing out key players. He doesn’t play PK minutes but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good defensively. But, Eichel isn’t better which is why I said Matthews is better offensively and defensively.
This, Matthews is becoming great defensively I first noticed it last year and while the commentary can be contrived at times where they look for it a little much, whether it’s to marvel or just appease the fanbase I don’t know? (Because some of the replays are of the simplest variety) he is becoming a top ten center jn defense.
This year he’s even better that way.
