With such a small sample size, your standard is ridiculously hard to meet.And where, if all things were equal, has Scott proved his isnt P4P the best?
Maybe he is, maybe he's not, but he hasn't done enough to prove that in my mind he's anything more than a good fighter who is a product of his size. Hats off to him, since size isn't everything--otherwise Steve McKenna would have been heavyweight champion in the 90s.Just saying he isnt obviously isnt enough. Where and what are his flaws when, yet again, he has proven atm he has none?
Well that's what you're going to get, especially for someone like Scott who hasn't fought enough to justify some of the leaps in logic you're proposing here. So if you're not willing to debate the specuation and conjecture, what are you left with? Seems like you're just looking for self-confirmation, amirite?Always willing to debate, but would like more then speculation and conjecture to back up what Scott has done not to be considered P4P best.
Easily winning and destroying are not tantamount. He's destroyed a few guys this year, Westgarth and Stortini of the top of my mind, but he did not destroy Koci.Both easy wins, the second one Scott with 17 punches that connected to Kocis 5.
Now, how is that not destroying somebody?
OK So maybe I'll put this a way you can understandWrong. Scott destroyed Koci. He also rag dolled Janssens the first time they fought this year, smiling when Janssens hit him in the face. Last nights game was still a Scott win even with Cam dropping two bombs that didnt do anything but make Scott mad.
Many of whom were not fighters. He lost to Eager last year and was beat down by Staubitz this year, hardly heavies.I can say Scott would beat both easily.And it has very little to do with size, Scott just a better fighter with an iron chin.
It does on account of Scott has not lost yet in the NHL.
His size and reach shouldnt be use against him just to nit pick a title onto certain fanbases tough guys.
Anderson Silva is the best P4P fighter in MMA, make him bigger or smaller and he dominates any weight division he is in.BJS is no different.
No one's arguing it's not exceptional. He's likely the consensus top heavyweight in the league at the moment.
Fair enough. I haven't followed the fight game quite as closely as I used to and I probably let his flashy wins this year cloud my judgment instead of doing my due dilligence and looking at fight cards.I disagree here. I would say the consenus top heavyweights at this time are MacIntyre, Boogard, and Godard. (In no particular order).
Fair enough. I haven't followed the fight game quite as closely as I used to and I probably let his flashy wins this year cloud my judgment instead of doing my due dilligence and looking at fight cards.
Exactly. He has two wins against Stortini. Why? Because Renney didn't feel he needed to dress MacIntyre against Scott.This guy clearly has no idea what P4P means. It means, pound for pound. Not pound as in hit, but pound as in the unit of weight. It means toughest relative to their size. That's why you would always hear that "pound for pound, Tie Domi is the toughest in the NHL" even though guys like Probert were always tougher than Domi. It was his size that made him remarkable.
John Scott is the opposite, actually. He's been an enforcer for 2 seasons and has yet to fight a single top-10 heavyweight, despite being 6'8" and 260 lbs. He's avoided fighting Orr, Boogaard, MacIntyre, Belak, Godard, Gillies, and the like. If he did, I don't think he would be undefeated. He's a second tier fighter with giant size. Again, the opposite of "pound for pound," as he isn't "top 10 heavyweight tough" but he is "top 10 heavyweight size." Therefore, his toughness is pretty low in comparison to his size, and therefore he is far from the best "pound for pound." Because that's what pound for pound means.
If you're 6'8" and a heavyweight and the toughest guys on your card are young Westgarth and miniature Janssen, you're not pound for pound tough at all.
You do realize Scott is 6'8 260 lbs
Scott got a very narrow victory over Cam Janssen. A guy that is 6'0 210 lbs. That says a lot more for Cam being the best P4P fighter then Scott if you really think he is the best heavyweight fighter.
He hasnt lost a fight yet.
How is that not exceptional? He has beaten people up to the point that he toys with fighters now.
How would this change if he was smaller when nobody knows if he would even be in the NHL as a mid sized goon?
What many of you have to understand is BJS is what he is, and there isnt some magic ray that can shrink him. There isnt a better figter in the NHL atm, hense the P4P title.
You do realize Scott is 6'8 260 lbs
Scott got a very narrow victory over Cam Janssen. A guy that is 6'0 210 lbs. That says a lot more for Cam being the best P4P fighter then Scott if you really think he is the best heavyweight fighter.
After reading some of the threads here, it seems P4P is something thrown around alot when it comes to Rick Rypien.
After Rypien got beat down earlier this year, and the whole fan assault thing, the luster has seemed to faded upon poor Rick.
Enter the nu model- Big John Scott.
As a fighter, nobody with the exception of Boogy has the size/reach combo to go along with the heavy fists BJS has. His chin, if questioned before was tested yesterday with a huge bomb by Janssens, and passed with flying colors.
So far he is undefeated in the NHL, and I give mad props to anybody who can draw him or actually drop the gloves with him. Has he fought true heavies? He will soon enough, but Rypien stayed away from heavies his entire career until this year and was pounced on mercilessly when he did. This wont be the case with Scott.
I have no choice by to say P4P, BJS is the best.
Um no, in terms of fighting hes a little better than Chara. Uses his reach advantage to his advantage.
Engelland is not either, but he is impressive. He dropped Orr, another overrated fighter. Until he drops Boulton, Big Mac, etc he's just going to be a heck of a MW.
I'd take Bam Bam over Engelland any day for pfp. Giving up 2 inches and has provin to hang with the best of them in multiple nhl seasons not just one cinderella season.