Speculation: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) XXXIII
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Sorry, but IMO I want no part of the MaCarthurs', Kulemins', Fransons', Holzers', Gunnarssons', Kostkas, and Liles' of that team and I think Stastny is worth much more than all those players the Leaf fans kept demanding to trade.
Also cancel the good value from Habs, I didn't realize they were that old.
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That's crazy. If I'm Ryan O'Reilly, I might give my agent a contract for the rest of my playing career. They stuck to their guns and he's either going to get a $6.7m qualifying offer next summer, or become the most coveted Unrestricted Free Agent ever at 23 years of age.
Why in the world would he fire him?
Agreed. That's just silly talk. I don't think O'Reilly would've cared if he ended up in Columbus. That's a team with three first rounders in this year's draft and one of the best talent evaluators in NHL history now running the show.
O'Reilly's agent apparently schooled TWO front office bosses. If anything, that's grounds for a bigger cut.
Bubba Thudd
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Unless he lives up to the hype, I don't know that he'll become "the most coveted Unrestricted Free Agent ever at 23 years of age".
26, 26, and 55 points isn't the kind of production that will have people lining up to pay 6.7M, regardless of his other intangibles or character.
RockLobster
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I hope you'll answer this question, and I hope that it hasn't been asked (I've been at work all morning and had no time to skim the threads).
In your opinion only, based on what limited talks you've had with Ryan, he's saying the right words publically, that he's happy to be back playing for the Avalanche fans. Do you feel that there's a legitimate chance that whatever "bad blood" that had come up during negotiations CAN be smoothed over?
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He will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT. The $6.7m is irrelevant at that point; that was the number the Avs would choose not to submit a QO for. He could sign a 10 year/$50m contract with a team, the $6.7m is irrelevant.
As a UFA, he hits the market and is instantly the most attractive UFA at that age... EVER. No bones about it. Schultz multiplied by 10.
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The bad blood is with Sherman and the suits.
I've said it many times... Sacco loves O'Reilly and O'Reilly loves playing for Sacco. How Sacco values players is VERY DIFFERENT from how our management values them. They are not on the same page with that.
I don't think the bad blood goes away just like that, but the faces he will be seeing are those of people who appreciate him and recognize his importance; not the suits.
Bubba Thudd
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Really? Even if he stays on the 3rd line, and puts up another 26 point season next year?
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Based on several posts of yours today, it's clear that you want to send a message and prove a point as opposed to winning hockey games.
- Put O'Reilly on the wing
- Give him crap wingers
Now this 26 point season crap... what's the point? Did he put up 26 points last year? No, he didn't, and I didn't see Stastny and Duchene out all year. Ryan O'Reilly EARNED the first line centre spot last year, right from day one of training camp.
Put the emotions to the side, BT. This is a business. It's unfortunate the way you're looking at things.
RockLobster
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Well obviously I don't expect him to show up to Denver today and shake Greg Sherman's, and all the other "suits" as you put it, hand and have a smile on his face and say "All is now forgiven".
But I guess mine was more of a question of you knowing him and if you believe if there's a chance that he and the Avs can now be grown ups about this and move forward, keeping him on the team as a legitimate Core player (as Sherman even identified him as last night)?
Basically I'm glad he's back with us, but in 2 years I don't want to go through this again, and I doubt Ryan or the Avs Brass do either, so I was curious your opinion on if it can be smoothed over over that time?
I mean, I like the guy. His defensive game will definitely make the Avs a better team as a whole IMO. But you don't pay a forward that much money just for his defensive game.
Side note: does he have any experience playing on the wing? Because of how our lines seem to to be starting to click, I don't see Sacco bumping Stastny down to 3C. Obviously we aren't going to start ROR off playing a major role, rather than slowly increasing his role as he starts playing again. But I don't see us getting everything we can out of him if we put him on the third line with 'ehh' wingers.
I really hope I am proved wrong and he shows us that he is worth this contract. I definitely think he has the potential, but he is certainly going to have to earn it.
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I think we will definitely be going through this again. If he thinks he was worth $5M before, and now has this contract, I can only imagine what he will want in 2 years if he keeps up his play from last year.
Winning fixes everything, mainly because it saves peoples' jobs. If the Avs start winning, and O'Reilly is a big part of that, they'll work something out. If Sherman is stupid and petty enough to actually stick it to the guy he's forking out $9 million to over the next year, then he never deserves another job in hockey at any level.
I have a feeling they made this offer knowing almost certainly the Avs would match it....
Freaky Styley
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It seems pretty clear to me that his agent was in the same boat as Feaster and Sherman with being oblivious to the rule. You don't think he would have been pissed to have to go through waivers and end up with a team that he never intended being on?
Plus, if Sherman and/or Feaster weren't so naive, Sherman could have used this as a huge negotiating tool to get O'Reilly to sign to his demands because IF every team knew the rule, there is no chance they would have signed him to an offer sheet (unless it was Columbus as they are currently 1st in the waiver wire). So basically, it would have been sign with us, or sit. We can trade you, but know you can't sign an offer sheet so there is really no rush for us. Seeing how it's his agent that let him play those 2 KHL games, you'd have to think there could be some backlash for his agent not doing his job.
I assume Stastny is available now? If he is,what are you looking for?
Ellis/Blum+Gaustad+____ as a start from Nashville. We can add more if you eat some salary.
Ellis/Blum+Gaustad+____ as a start from Nashville. We can add more if you eat some salary.
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I'm sure a deal with Nashville could be worked out, but including Gaustad is probably a non starter. Ellis + is a good start though IMO.
Freaky Styley
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I can't imagine Stastny being available. We are a much better team with our 3 top centers, the only way he is available is what happens with contract negotiations with ROR and him come next year. We can't afford to trade him away, only to have O'Reilly leave at the end of next season.
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ROR can't leave so easily with him still being a RFA, but the point stands... until we know what both Stastny and ROR want for extensions, it probably isn't wise to trade Stastny.
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