Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LXVIX
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Cousin Eddie
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I know every day we all post about how we should claim the latest guy put on waivers, but if Morin is placed I think we really should put in a claim.
Agreed. He's been extremely productive in the AHL. We could use the scoring depth right now.
Edit: The question is though do we have room for his salary by sending someone down?
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henchman21
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I can't imagine Morin really going on waivers. I think Tallon would offer a 5th before that happens.
Bender
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Absolutely...but I think he'd be claimed by a team lower in the standings than we are.
I don't see the Avs making any claims with 49 contracts. If they weren't so close to the limit I would absolutely want them to put a claim in for Chipchura. Below-average speed, but good on faceoffs and very capable defensive player. He absolutely would be an upgrade over anyone in that 4th line role, including, yes, Johnny Malkin. At least from a defensive standpoint.
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/540936062005420032
There goes one of the Penguins defensive prospects, although one closer to the lower end.
I mean he snuck through waivers. What could be Elliot's value in reality? I was simply saying I doubt he's worth more then Morin at this point.
Seph did say they were looking at Smith. Maybe there is something there.
agentblack
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darn, although I think he was viewed as the lesser of the three (Dumolin, Harrington)
and apparently Morin's agent asked for a trade
Im sure it will cost us a first
I'm in a discussion right now w/RS on Twitter about how dumb GMs are when it comes to waivers. Elliott should not have cleared. Chipchura shouldn't clear either.
I hope the Avs at least package Elliott for something of value if indeed they've given up on him.
cgf
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Fair enough, to me a player being dirty is more than just a guy sometimes making dirty plays or pushing the rules like stockton did, or any NBA guards before the handchecking rules were changed. To me a dirty player is someone like cooke who isn't just pushing the limit or occasionally stepping over the line but who lives across that line.
But then again I was probably dirty in every sport I played as a kid because I loved pushing that line. In hockey I would always at least slap the goalies pads or mask with my stick when I'd plant myself in front of net, and in football the most fun I had was when I realized most high schoolers didn't tighten their pads properly so I could jam them up and choke out much bigger lineman with their own shoulder pads to throw them out of my way.
And Hanzal would be a really sweet 2C on most teams (i'd probably play him with Landy and MacK on his wings if he were an av), but if you asked me to put together the perfect C depth for a team, he'd be my dream 3C. Kinda how Johnny Malkin has become a good 3c, but would be the ideal 4C on a team where he could play that role. Both can be very effective a line higher, but if you can play them in those spots, you probably have the best C-depth in hockey and guys who would be absolutely amazing in those roles.
cgf
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Anyway. As for trades this season I still see only a few trades I'd want to make that really help us in the long term.
Either something around McGinn for Martin or Coburn, or a rental package built around our 2nd, Pickard and a non-Bleackley/Bigras/Siemens prospect for Sekera if carolina blows it up closer to the deadline, I'd add McGinn in place of the prospect if that made it happen.
But I also don't htink we'll trade ROR until after this summer's UFA opens and we've had a final crack at signing the dman we need/re-upping with Ryan.
Either something around McGinn for Martin or Coburn, or a rental package built around our 2nd, Pickard and a non-Bleackley/Bigras/Siemens prospect for Sekera if carolina blows it up closer to the deadline, I'd add McGinn in place of the prospect if that made it happen.
But I also don't htink we'll trade ROR until after this summer's UFA opens and we've had a final crack at signing the dman we need/re-upping with Ryan.
It's probably a lot to do with contract space. Most are near or at the 50 limit, and don't want to mess with any flexibility by picking someone up. Elliott is not someone worth picking up on waivers and giving a roster spot too.
Foppa2118
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I don't know, I don't think you end up in those positions because you're dumb, or can't see potential options that can help you. It's a constant risk/reward evaluation. They see a bigger part of the picture that fans don't have available to them, and see more risks. Also, lke Mars said, it's usually a contract limit issue.
It's hard enough to make trades that can help your team without being pressed against that limit, and forced to structure a deal a certain way. Unless you know a waiver move is gonna have a big impact, using that extra contract, when it could potentially make it harder to make a move later on when you do need that impact player, isn't always the no brainer it may seem like.
Memory on these waiver scenarios become awfully selective too, because the good players are the only one with a spotlight on them afterwards. You may remember the player that got claimed by another team, or went unclaimed and then became a good player, but you don't really remember the countless players over the years fans thought they should claim, and then they went on to do nothing.
No way would I pick up Chipchura. The Avs already have an upgrade on Cliche. His name is Jesse Winchester. Unfortunately, he's been hurt all year. Picking up another 4th liner who has a contract beyond this season does nothing.
cgf
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Plus Cliche has been a fine 4th liner this year. He still can't finish, and only flashes off his playmaking once every blue moon, but he's a very good penalty killer, solid on faceoffs, good in his own zone and a competent forechecker. I can't wait for Winch to replace him with a 4th liner who's got more grit and can cycle the puck better, but Cliche has done his job well enough.
He's no Holden this year.
He's no Holden this year.
dahrougem2
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Yeah, not gonna rag on what cliche has brought to the team this season. He's one of the few players who night in, night out shows a consistent, 100% effort and genuinely looks like he'll die to win out there. Can't say the same for the majority of this roster this season
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That's great and all, but he's also probably the least talented player in the NHL and it shows night in and night out.
UncleRisto
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cgf
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*shrug* is he really significantly less talented than the average 4th line PK-specialist? I don't think he is, and he's been a big part of our PK that's been so good this year. So i'm fine with him. Ideally he's eating nachos as the 13th forward, but with our injuries and the role we need him for he's been at least adequate.
InjuredChoker
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maybe not significantly less talented than average 4th liner but when looking to get an edge on other teams, you'd want it to be another way around. we have that edge in varly (no complaints) and on our top 6 (which hasn't delivered). the D and bottom 6 are below average and it's costing us.
one cliche or AHLer doesn't hurt that bad but we have 3 or 4 of them. and when rest of the team isn't firing on all cylinders, results are what we see.
but building depth takes time so i'm not full blame mode on management. they addressed it a bit last offseason and should do so again next offseason.
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