You can vomit stats at me all you want, it's not going to convince me that you have a clue what you're talking about.
Does it not make sense that, out of the team's 5 best players, that when one goes down the others start producing more? We never really saw a dropoff in production for this team, they just filled in for each other as needed.
If you've been watching this team, as closely as you claim to have, for the last 4-5 years, you know that Stastny finally retook his prominent role in the lineup this year. He took on the hardest matchups and allowed the rest of our scoring lines to be more free offensively. Stastny under Roy has gotten back to what everyone has been expecting out of him for the last 5 years. He has comparable defence to Landy and O'R with similar, if not better, offensive production. He is the best playmaker on the team and he is arguably the smartest as well.
At this point I honestly don't know why you're arguing that he isn't as valuable to this team as he has proven this year. Are you bracing for him to leave via FA?
Your opinions are your opinions, and your stats are cherry-picked and lack proper thought or context. We all watch the team a great deal and at this point I really don't think you're convincing anyone.
I think you need to convince me you have a clue what i am talking about."We never saw a drop off in production for this team". Exactly my point. In this argument I have seen a lot of comments about how important he was offensively and defensively and that our production, especially our defense, would tank. I was just showing that did not happen. Seems you are reading way too much into it.
He did not always take on the hardest matchups. Hockey is a game where many different players go up against many different players throughout a game and half the games our coach cant even decide which line to play his against. A lot of times, yes, he was matched up against the top line. A lot times it was Duchene's line. Sometimes even when his line was against the top line he would be matchup up against a dman because thats how the match ups fell based on switching and who is the first on the attack etc etc etc. This system is very much a team effort on D and the forwards have to be versatile enough to play any 3 of the positions because they are going to have to throughout a game. Just because Staz is the C on the top2 way line does not mean he is automatically the guy with the hardest match up on the ice.
Just because he retook his prominent role (all these guys play prominent roles), is now thought of as the player everyone expected 5 years ago and is no longer thought off as underachiever does not make him better than those other players. That says nothing about the other players in discussion. That just means he is no longer underachieving.
"comparable to LAndo and RoR defensively". I never claimed otherwise. I just think both RoR is slightly better defensively. He wasnt responsible for nearly as many goals IMO. And I have said a couple times that Lando's D gets a downgrade because of the many penalties he has taken. I just dont think Staz is this amazing shutdown D guy some are making him out to be. But hey, I think different than you do, so I must not know what i am talking about.
He is not the best playmaker and I am certainly not the only one who thinks that. But once again, I (we) have no idea what i (we) am talking about
Similar offensive production yes, but he was not the key to that line's production. He would be involved in the play and gets credit for that, but usually wasn't the main reason for a goal. If its a 3 on 3 rush at the red line and Staz passes to MacK who just blows by everyone and scores or someone scores off a rebound then Staz was not the key to that play. It would have been MacK beating his man and getting players out of position and scrambling. To me that's how Staz got a lot of his production, just by being a part of the play. Just to clarify, he was the key on plenty of plays as well. I am not saying he did not have his fair share of goal causing plays.
Arguably the smartest, yes. Never said otherwise. I would give that edge to RoR though. I have said many times that staz is very smart and that is his best quality. But I think RoR is smarter because he seemed to be more consistent than Staz in the defensive position category. Both have great IQs on the O side as well. Both are very good at just keeping the puck moving and in a good flow of the offense.
I am not arguing that he is not as valuable as he has proven. With those stats I am arguing that he is not as valuable as some are claiming.
The stats are cherry picked because those are the stats that apply towards comments like 'our defense would fall apart without him'. So i showed what we did without him. Exactly what stats should i use, or do you just want to play this "you dont know what you are talking about, my opinions are so much better" game? Because, you know, that is so convincing.
Im not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just sharing my opinion. I could really care less what anyone thinks. Feel free to have whatever opinion you so chose. But you really need to figure out what I am saying before starting all this "you don't know what you are tlaking about" stuff. Because you clearly don't know what I am talking about. Your taking my comments and inferring something that I am not implying.
Just to clarify. Staz is a great player, which i have said many times. And like someone said earlier, its like splitting hairs saying who is the best. They are all right around the same level and all very important pieces to the team. But I think RoR, Duchene, Lando and MacK were slightly better and everyone should be paid accordingly. This talk of him getting 6.5/7Mil is absurd, especially if he is taking a discount. That and I dont think Staz is as good as some here are making him out to be. But hey, thats different from your opinion, so I must not know what i am talking about
We have other guys to produce offensively and other guys to help shutdown opposing top lines. I see Stastny as the glue guy in the top-6.
This is pretty much exactly what i have been getting at, or how I have been trying to portray him as.
Why would the Canucks want Parenteau? I guess they might if they're not rebuilding and they want to return to being a more finesse offensive team but they could probably do better.
Their offense and power play were pretty bad this year. That could just have been torts though.
What would we have received for him at the trade deadline? A second round pick? I'd hardly call that an incredible setback.
I listened to the podcast. Dater doesn't know. His opinion is they don't need him. He said "they won nothing for 6 years with him, time to try something new". He thinks the Avs still haven't decided if they really want him back and they all think his worth is about 5 million.
Imminent means nothing is close. That's not exactly bad. Not having spoken with the Avs would be bad. And Dater said he spoke to the agent yesterday so sounds like he still has an agent.
What is Vancouver going to want for Kesler? Do we even have it to give?
They all think his worth is about 5 million? Who is they? Dater and Co, or Roy and Co.
