Speculation: In search of trophies: Jack Adams, Calder, Lady Byng and Vezina
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TheStranger
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No selke talk for Ryan? Bias against wingers in that Selke award
Yeah he has no shot unfortunately
tigervixxxen
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Was going to bring up Selke and Hart for Duchene. I know neither guy is winning but could finish in the voting for them. Duchene is up to 16th in the league in scoring, to put it in perspective he's tied with Toews.
Cousin Eddie
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He is more of a Hart contender than a Vezina contender but he wont win either. Which I don't disagree with. Other league candidates are all mroe deserving.
I absoutely agree. OF course Radar is a selke caliber guy. He always has been but he holds a lot less responsibility than Stastny and I think Staz is simply better in his own end. ROR has the beautiful takeaway stat but a good portion of those comes from forechecking and neutral zone work. That obviously is part of selke consideration but what Stastny does in his own end of the ice cant be matched by anybody else on this team. At least not while Radar is playing on the wing.
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Roy and MacK are absolute locks, IMO. I don't want to hear any Cooper talk.
O'Reilly should win the Lady Byng.
O'Reilly should win the Lady Byng.
tigervixxxen
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voted for Roy and MacKinnon. It will probably be close but I think Roy just edges Cooper in the vote. There will be some bias against him but he's a big enough name to get support too. If they finish strong it's hard to argue against his points %. Tampa hit a bit of a bump, they lost 10 of 13 until recently and some of that was with Stamkos back.
I don't consider any Avalanche player a lock but the one with the best shot is MacKinnon. As long as he finishes with the points lead there won't be a strong enough argument against him especially if he approaches or hits 60 points.
Agree that reputation will hold O'Reilly back but if he finishes with 0 penalties he'll get a lot of attention, the national media had already picked up on that angle. Probably will help him get some more Selke votes but he won't win that either.
Varly should get more Vezina consideration but he won't. Stats are not there and he'd have to be the clear leader to overcome the hype of some other contenders.
I don't consider any Avalanche player a lock but the one with the best shot is MacKinnon. As long as he finishes with the points lead there won't be a strong enough argument against him especially if he approaches or hits 60 points.
Agree that reputation will hold O'Reilly back but if he finishes with 0 penalties he'll get a lot of attention, the national media had already picked up on that angle. Probably will help him get some more Selke votes but he won't win that either.
Varly should get more Vezina consideration but he won't. Stats are not there and he'd have to be the clear leader to overcome the hype of some other contenders.
The Kingslayer
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Landeskog should definetly get some consideration for the Selke but it most likely goes to Mr. Bergeron.
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Roy has as good a chance as anyone. Very deserving of a lot of credit.
MacKinnon.
Couldn't care less, honestly. Shouldn't even be such an award.
I think Ben Bishop wins this one.
I voted Adams and Calder, but I'm iffy on the Adams. MacKinnon should take the Calder though, unless he slumps badly over the last few weeks.
They call him, Joe Sacco
Just kidding, but I really thought he was going to win it though lol
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nanzenkills
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I voted for the Jack Adams, the Lady Byng, and the Calder. I think the Jack Adams and the Calder are shoo-ins for us, barring a major collapse on the part of our team and/or MacKinnon.
I don't deny that the East Coast bias exists, but I don't buy that it is as big of a factor as some on HF make it out to be. If it was such a big deal, there is no way that Landeskog would have won the Calder Trophy over Henrique a couple of years back. MacKinnon has a bigger lead in the Calder race on any other rookie than Landeskog did the year he won it.
I think it will be close between ROR and Seguin for the Lady Byng, but I think if ROR can continue to avoid getting penalties, he'll probably take it. It would set a record for most games played in a season without a penalty, which would be really impressive considering that ROR isn't exactly a soft player.
I don't deny that the East Coast bias exists, but I don't buy that it is as big of a factor as some on HF make it out to be. If it was such a big deal, there is no way that Landeskog would have won the Calder Trophy over Henrique a couple of years back. MacKinnon has a bigger lead in the Calder race on any other rookie than Landeskog did the year he won it.
I think it will be close between ROR and Seguin for the Lady Byng, but I think if ROR can continue to avoid getting penalties, he'll probably take it. It would set a record for most games played in a season without a penalty, which would be really impressive considering that ROR isn't exactly a soft player.
Avs_19
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MacKinnon for the Calder is a lock.
Roy has a very good shot at the Jack Adams. FWIW, LeBrun thinks he's a lock and McKenzie said he's the front runner right now so the media is starting to get behind him.
It would be great to see O'Reilly win the Lady Byng, even though it's a pointless award that doesn't mean much. I thought they would just give it to MSL but maybe now they won't since his reputation took a bit of a hit.
Roy has a very good shot at the Jack Adams. FWIW, LeBrun thinks he's a lock and McKenzie said he's the front runner right now so the media is starting to get behind him.
It would be great to see O'Reilly win the Lady Byng, even though it's a pointless award that doesn't mean much. I thought they would just give it to MSL but maybe now they won't since his reputation took a bit of a hit.
captaincheese
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He turtled but i guess its still a fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruWVHmr_Oqw#t=55
nvm he got 10 minutes for roughing.
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AMDZen
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Calder is already a done deal
Jack Adams, Roy should have a very legitimate chance for sure.
Lady Byng, RoR - same on this one, he should have a great shot.
Vezina, Varly - he should get some consideration but won't, will end up 3rd in voting because the voters are n00bs.
Jack Adams, Roy should have a very legitimate chance for sure.
Lady Byng, RoR - same on this one, he should have a great shot.
Vezina, Varly - he should get some consideration but won't, will end up 3rd in voting because the voters are n00bs.
expatriatedtexan
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Agreed on all accounts.
I would imagine that Varly will get some notice but it'll take at least a second season with these types of stats before he'll be seriously considered by the league GMs. I think Bob was kind of an exception to the rule last season, but before that it looks like most goalies have been considered to be a member of the elite group of goalies for a spell before getting their first win.
tigervixxxen
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Foppa2118
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Haha, I think I might have seen a half punch in there at the end.
I don't know if he so much as turtled, or got attacked by two guys and the goalie at the same time.
quesosauce
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i agree with you on this, if his gaa was .3ish lower and he had 3 more shutouts he would be more able to take a vezina
JoeSakic13
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I think that although Radar should very well win the Byng, he won't simply because nobody really cares about Colorado yet. Seriously. I've been taking note of where TSN places the story for Colorado games. A Colorado win usually means near the bottom (assuming it's not a game vs. Toronto or Montreal) and a loss usually means the story being much higher. I bet a lot of people have NO idea Radar is putting up those kinda numbers without taking penalties. Sadly it will go to the popular choice, which is not Radar...yet....
tigervixxxen
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I preface this by saying I KNOW there is an eastern bias. I have noticed the national media picking up on the no penalties thing. NHL Net asked him about it on the arena cam and I saw a couple tweets about it from national media members. Also saw a national media member pointed out that since the break both O'Reilly and Duchene are tied with most points scored in the league.
Cousin Eddie
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According to hockeyfights.com he hasn't. They don't miss very much. ROR has said that he wont be long breaking his peanlty streak if somebody layed a dirty hit on Dutchy though
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