Proposal: If you were the GM...trade deadline day.

[Hoople]

Now that's ridiculous, come on. Just look at the best player's in the league. I guess we shouldn't have picked Giroux in your mind.

Ridiculous? Not at all. You have been so surrounded by small Habs players for most of your life that you are failing to realize that there are a lot of skilled players at the average size for an NHL player.

Look at the Top 10 scorers in the League.

Sidney Crosby
John Tavares
Ryan Getzlaf
Patrick Kane
Corey Perry
Kyle Okposo
Chris Kunitz
Joe Thornton
Phil Kessel
Patrick Sharp

Only one of those are undersized. Patrick Kane. (I know you will say that Crosby is 5' 11"-----an inch does not matter but he is at 200 lbs and Kunitz is at 195---close enough)

We have too many players and prospects at 5'10" or below who will never get close to 200 lbs. As good as Gallagher is, he is still easily pushed off of the puck.

To be successful, this franchise has to abandon the strategy of smallish players who dominate in Juniors and Worlds and then suffer when playing against large men in the NHL.

Look at the hate that DD gets. You think Reway is going to be any different?


Edit.......Kessel, the fat ass, can probably out-skate any Habs player on the roster, including our small little guys.

Edit again.......Top 25. Three undersized players. Kane, StLouis, Giroux.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Fire MT

Trade Boullion, Diaz, Murray, Briere, DD, Gionta, Moen, Parros, Bourque, and Markov. Get picks or young players with decent size.

Monitor MB to see how he does with our RFAs and what he does with the UFAs in the summer. If he tries to sign an over the hill midget or a RFA to a stupid deal, he'll be looking for employment too.

I know this all very unlikely, but enough of this middle of the road crap. There are some very nice pieces in place, get rid of the deadwood and do a proper re-tool.

This.


Whoever said trade Gallagher or Plekanec must be a troll. GTFO.

 

[Runner77]

Ridiculous? Not at all. You have been so surrounded by small Habs players for most of your life that you are failing to realize that there are a lot of skilled players at the average size for an NHL player.

Look at the Top 10 scorers in the League.

Sidney Crosby
John Tavares
Ryan Getzlaf
Patrick Kane
Corey Perry
Kyle Okposo
Chris Kunitz
Joe Thornton
Phil Kessel
Patrick Sharp

Only one of those are undersized. Patrick Kane. (I know you will say that Crosby is 5' 11"-----an inch does not matter but he is at 200 lbs and Kunitz is at 195---close enough)

We have too many players and prospects at 5'10" or below who will never get close to 200 lbs. As good as Gallagher is, he is still easily pushed off of the puck.

To be successful, this franchise has to abandon the strategy of smallish players who dominate in Juniors and Worlds and then suffer when playing against large men in the NHL.

Look at the hate that DD gets. You think Reway is going to be any different?

Despite Bergevin's stated objective to deal with the size issue, he still went out in 2012 and in this past year's draft, and added the type of diminutives that would have successful careers in European leagues. The type of diminutives that other teams don't draft for a reason, and who won't want to buy them later on when we try to move them on account of their redundancy.

It's high time to move on to a different business model. However, Bergevin and his lackeys have barely made a dent -- getting bigger doesn't mean adding players who can't skate, can't play on the top 3 lines or signing a 38 year old concussed gars-de-chez-nous. I still don't understand what Bergevin's industrial complex of hand-picked lackeys have done so far -- maybe they help him choose his suits and target the latest Japanese fashion eyewear, made of space-age materials.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

This.


Whoever said trade Gallagher or Plekanec must be a troll. GTFO.

What's wrong with trading Plekanec? He would bring back real value in a trade and allow us to really put the skills of Galchenyuk on display.

 

[DAChampion]

Ridiculous? Not at all. You have been so surrounded by small Habs players for most of your life that you are failing to realize that there are a lot of skilled players at the average size for an NHL player.

Look at the Top 10 scorers in the League.

Sidney Crosby
John Tavares
Ryan Getzlaf
Patrick Kane
Corey Perry
Kyle Okposo
Chris Kunitz
Joe Thornton
Phil Kessel
Patrick Sharp

Only one of those are undersized. Patrick Kane. (I know you will say that Crosby is 5' 11"-----an inch does not matter but he is at 200 lbs and Kunitz is at 195---close enough)

We have too many players and prospects at 5'10" or below who will never get close to 200 lbs. As good as Gallagher is, he is still easily pushed off of the puck.

To be successful, this franchise has to abandon the strategy of smallish players who dominate in Juniors and Worlds and then suffer when playing against large men in the NHL.

Look at the hate that DD gets. You think Reway is going to be any different?


Edit.......Kessel, the fat ass, can probably out-skate any Habs player on the roster, including our small little guys.

Edit again.......Top 25. Three undersized players. Kane, StLouis, Giroux.

Drafting undersized players in the 4th and 5th rounds makes a lot of sense, as other teams underrate them and you're more likely to get something good like Gallagher. Good luck finding quality size in the later rounds.

Reway is several inches taller than Desharnais, so is Hudon.

Ultimately, we can support a couple of undersized players, I think. Gallagher is one. Briere, Gionta, and DD should go soon or sooner. That leaves another spot.

 

[Whitesnake]

This.


Whoever said trade Gallagher or Plekanec must be a troll. GTFO.

Not really. People who says Pleks only believes that with Galchy and Eller we might have our top 2 C for years to come and that Pleks could get us a significant return.

 

[nyhabsfan]

I'd fire Therrien right before the Olympic break and hire someone else immediately so they can watch game tape and prepare themselves for when the season starts up again. I'd also make it mandatory that everyone comes back 4-5 days early for a mini training camp.

Then I'd send out an email to all 29 teams and tell them that I'm looking to get younger and bigger as well as stockpiling draft picks and every player is available with the exception of; unless part of a bigger deal:

Price
Budaj
Subban
Beaulieu
Tinordi
Pacioretty
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Gallagher

I doubt there would be many bites but it would give an opportunity to move some of the smaller players out and allow room for some young players that give a damn to play in Montreal.

I LIKE this, but will add one more thing.

Give guys like Bournival value and LeBlanc at least 15 of ice time on a nightly basis to see what they c an do.

Play the kids, trade some vets and really evaluate where you stand with your talent base against NHL teams

 

[Hoople]

Despite Bergevin's stated objective to deal with the size issue, he still went out in 2012 and in this past year's draft, and added the type of diminutives that would have successful careers in European leagues. The type of diminutives that other teams don't draft for a reason, and who won't want to buy them later on when we try to move them on account of their redundancy.

It's high time to move on to a different business model. However, Bergevin and his lackeys have barely made a dent -- getting bigger doesn't mean adding players who can't skate, can't play on the top 3 lines or signing a 38 year old concussed gars-de-chez-nous. I still don't understand what Bergevin's industrial complex of hand-picked lackeys have done so far -- maybe they help him choose his suits and target the latest Japanese fashion eyewear, made of space-age materials.

I was so encouraged seeing Bergevin named as the GM.

This trade deadline and offseason will determine his legacy in Montreal. I hope he chooses wisely.

 

[Hoople]

Drafting undersized players in the 4th and 5th rounds makes a lot of sense, as other teams underrate them and you're more likely to get something good like Gallagher. Good luck finding quality size in the later rounds.

Reway is several inches taller than Desharnais, so is Hudon.

Ultimately, we can support a couple of undersized players, I think. Gallagher is one. Briere, Gionta, and DD should go soon or sooner. That leaves another spot.

There is a reason other teams underrate them. And it is a valid reason.

One small team on the roster is not a detriment in and of itself if the team surrounds that player with big forwards.

The issue specific to Montreal is evident with the number of undersized forwards on this team, in Hamilton and prospects playing in Juniors.

Timmins went a little crazy with those types of players. Overloaded.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Ridiculous? Not at all. You have been so surrounded by small Habs players for most of your life that you are failing to realize that there are a lot of skilled players at the average size for an NHL player.

Look at the Top 10 scorers in the League.

Sidney Crosby
John Tavares
Ryan Getzlaf
Patrick Kane
Corey Perry
Kyle Okposo
Chris Kunitz
Joe Thornton
Phil Kessel
Patrick Sharp

Only one of those are undersized. Patrick Kane. (I know you will say that Crosby is 5' 11"-----an inch does not matter but he is at 200 lbs and Kunitz is at 195---close enough)

We have too many players and prospects at 5'10" or below who will never get close to 200 lbs. As good as Gallagher is, he is still easily pushed off of the puck.

To be successful, this franchise has to abandon the strategy of smallish players who dominate in Juniors and Worlds and then suffer when playing against large men in the NHL.

Look at the hate that DD gets. You think Reway is going to be any different?


Edit.......Kessel, the fat ass, can probably out-skate any Habs player on the roster, including our small little guys.

Edit again.......Top 25. Three undersized players. Kane, StLouis, Giroux.

Well I guess we have a different definition of ''undersized'' because if I look at the top 28, I can count 10 (Crosby, Kane, Kessel, Pavelski, St. Louis, Giroux, Steen, Zetterberg, Duchene and Little). Our current roster might be small but if Bergevin sticks to what he says that shouldn't be the case 3 years from now. Another thing that you have to take in consideration is that you can still package those undersized prospects as you call them like Hudon and Reway, to a team who doesn't have a whole lot of talent in their prospect pool. Boycutting players based on their height is dumb and is gonna set us back rather than help us going forward like you're saying. St. Louis, Pavelski, Zetterberg, those three guys were either drafted pretty late or not drafted at all and guess what, they would make our team better. I would take a first line of Steen-Plekanec-Pavelski ahead of a line filled with Scott Hartnells and Kyle Okposos.

 

[S Bah]

When contemplating a trade for a player or prospect, the GM has to consider the prospects already in his system.

1) Defence - LD & RD - their predicted eventual upside and the timeline to graduate.
2)Defence - the players already Habs, their contracts and possible prospect partners.
3)Defence - PMD & Shutdown Defencemen, weaknesses and strengths, size and policing abilities.

4)Wingers - As above versatilities, checkers, PKers, offensive, snipers, playmakers and size.

5)Centers - As above, two-way, faceoff specialist, PKers.


6)Goalies - As above contractual and in the future Price & Fucale possible conflicts for playing time and disrupting teams focus. (media & fan attn.)

A GM has to consider all of these basics and how it will affect the team dynamics, chemistry is huge in building a team for the playoffs. The one and all important goal of the Habs being the Stanley Cup, precludes making silly trades for a Bobby Ryan type of player. Losing valuable prospects for a disruptive influence in team chemistry, the NYR are famous for these types of moves.

My thinking is simple the Habs continue to play competitive hockey and develop prospects, being patient and vigilant for any upgrade in talent without veering off course. The reasoning behind a five year plan to rebuilding a team is valid, when considering prospects need 4-5 yrs. exp. to develop properly. Even a #1 pick like Guy Lafleur spent three years developing while playing for the Habs, in optimal icetime under intense scrutiny with the best hockey players. He was a generational talent and was drafted at 20 yrs of age not 18 yrs. as players are today.

Hockey fans in Montreal were spoiled, I know firsthand the madness for perfection that was the norm in those days. For this to happen again, patience will be necessary, the endless call for heads to roll every season is not only monotonous but childlike. There is no messiah that can wave his hand and the seas will part for the Stanley Cup to enter the Bell Center. That never happened in the past and it certainly will take a few years of constant vigilance by the Bergevin regime to make the Habs, Stanley Cup winners again, believe Dat!

To continually whine and bellyache for change is the act of babies, demanding attn. not the actions one would expect of an adoring fanbase, at least that is my take. Probably the same take any visiting readers would have to the unreasonable demands being made here daily. Like it or not, someone needs to say things that will open eyes and awareness to the rude attitudes bestowed upon these athletes.

Yours Truly S.Bah! save the applause, I cant hear you!

 

[Nitehowl]

1. Plekanec ----> Pirri,Teravainen
2. Markov ------>Etem,Silverburg OR Toffoli,Muzzin
3. Briere---------> Stafford
4. Gionta ------> 4th rd (SJ or NJ)
5. Diaz,Collberg +4th------------Kulikov
6. Bourque +3rd--------------Hemsky
7. Moen,Murray +2nd --------------> Paajarvi

OK going for more coffee be nice lol

 

[Le Barron de HF]

1. Plekanec ----> Pirri,Teravainen
2. Markov ------>Etem,Silverburg OR Toffoli,Muzzin
3. Briere---------> Stafford
4. Gionta ------> 4th rd (SJ or NJ)
5. Diaz,Collberg +4th------------Kulikov
6. Bourque +3rd--------------Hemsky
7. Moen,Murray +2nd --------------> Paajarvi

OK going for more coffee be nice lol

No way Plekanec and Markov land those players. I don't do the last two deals either.

 

[Runner77]

I would have one immediate goal.

Target the 7 or so teams that have cap room and try to get them to take on salary. It could be several small deals that add up to a lot of salary room or one or two medium deals.

Once cap space is acquired, then target players you couldn't initially find ways to bring in.

Cap room has to be considered as important as a top 9 forward or a top 4 D -- it's the one asset that opens the door to a multitude of possibilities and takes you out of that 23 team cluster that are trade-paralyzed. When 22 or so other teams can't pay for an asset on sale, demand and prices shrink -- the best place for a buyer to be at.

 

[Theodore450]

fire therien

 

[CP31]

Therrien for cash considerations plz

 

[Dr_Hook]

Therrien for cash considerations plz

More like Therrien and we retain 75% of salary for future consideration

 

[Ginu]

I was so encouraged seeing Bergevin named as the GM.

This trade deadline and offseason will determine his legacy in Montreal. I hope he chooses wisely.

No it won't. Nothing he does in the next year will make any difference. This team is destined to suck for a few years until our next stream of kids are ready to make the jump. Trades and UFAs won't solve our problems with what we have to offer. The only way this ship will turn around will be through the draft. MB knows that. There's no legacy to be gained this trade deadline or summer.

 

[loadie]

Well I guess we have a different definition of ''undersized'' because if I look at the top 28, I can count 10 (Crosby, Kane, Kessel, Pavelski, St. Louis, Giroux, Steen, Zetterberg, Duchene and Little). Our current roster might be small but if Bergevin sticks to what he says that shouldn't be the case 3 years from now. Another thing that you have to take in consideration is that you can still package those undersized prospects as you call them like Hudon and Reway, to a team who doesn't have a whole lot of talent in their prospect pool. Boycutting players based on their height is dumb and is gonna set us back rather than help us going forward like you're saying. St. Louis, Pavelski, Zetterberg, those three guys were either drafted pretty late or not drafted at all and guess what, they would make our team better. I would take a first line of Steen-Plekanec-Pavelski ahead of a line filled with Scott Hartnells and Kyle Okposos.

Absolutely. The Habs shouldn't start passing on smaller players for lesser players just because of being bigger. The thing is to get a proper balance which the Habs haven't had for years.

 

[FF de Mars]

We should be sellers.

 

[Summer Rose]

I'm glad I turned this off at 4-0.

 

[1993]

Plekanec and Gionta to STL for Tarasenko, Ian Cole, 4th
Desharnais,Gorges to DAL for Oleksiak, 3rd
Price, Bourque to ANA for Silfverberg, John Gibson, Fasth,1st
Briere, Diaz, 1st, Collberg to NJ for Adam Larsson
Trade Murray,Bou dirt cheap

Just for fun don't rage

Pacc-Galch-Gallagher
Silfverberg-Eller-Tarasenko
Bournival-Leblanc-CThomas
Moen-White-Prust

Beaulieu-Subban
Emelin-Larsson
Cole-Pateryn
Oleksiak/Tinordi

Fasth
Budaj

(Gibson and Fucale as prospects)

Fire Therrien, Hire best coach available

No I didn't search up salaries

Is this a team for the no hit league as it is soft as butter.

 

[Souffle]

No it won't. Nothing he does in the next year will make any difference. This team is destined to suck for a few years until our next stream of kids are ready to make the jump. Trades and UFAs won't solve our problems with what we have to offer. The only way this ship will turn around will be through the draft. MB knows that. There's no legacy to be gained this trade deadline or summer.

Not sure about that. The draft doesn't turn teams into winners by itself. The Habs have drafted well for about ten years now. Other teams have also drafted well, if not better. Those that have won can point to other moves -- trades and signings.

Good teams make good moves beyond the draft. Now if you're saying that Bergevin doesn't have to make any good moves this season or off-season because he's got a longer timetable, then okay, but his legacy will be determined by the moves he eventually makes (or doesn't make).

 

[Wats]

If we going to suck...at least do it right and sell off the older players.

 

[Koivu777]

Get rid of Briere, Bourque and Diaz are all a must. Absolutely garbage display by everyone, but these have been the worse imo. Need some real goal scorers and better OFD and DFD. Bergevin better be ready to trade away some good guys to get a real top scorer.