If The Oilers Pick At #3, Strome Or Hanifin?

[CupofOil]

Well maybe you should watch him play! I'm Tired of people coming on this board just regurgitating crap they hear from someone on the radio. Don't know if you watched the NCAA championship game but believe me ,Hanifin would not have had the success he had this year as a17 year old if he avoided contact. Kids a stud

Agreed. Calling him a softer Bouwmeester is pretty ridiculous.

He's a lot harder on forwards than JBo was/is, he's physically stronger and almost constantly wins puck battles in tight. Just because he doesn't throw open ice hits every game, that doesn't mean he's not physical.
Also, as has been mentioned, there are plenty of top defensemen who uses smarts and positioning moreso than brute strength to defend.

I wish that more people would make judgments of a player based on personal viewings than assuming everything about a player from one or two scouts, especially when they go against the consensus.
Button's list comes out and all of a sudden, Hanifin is JBo at best. As if Button is the ultimate voice of reason.

I have no issue with people using these opinions as a tool to find out more about the player. I take issue with some people taking the words of few as gospel.

 

[Bridgeman]

Get lost with this elitist crap. The entire idea of this board is predicated on people engaging with others in order to further their knowledge about the game. People around this year's draft prospects have been making criticisms about the top players, I'm presenting the information in order to generate a discussion about the player. If you know everything there is to know, then what the hell are you doing here?

Craig is that you?

 

[soothsayer]

Craig is that you?

Yes. Hi Noah.

 

[dustrock]

Hanifin is going to have the biggest microscope on him because it's a loaded draft and he's a defenceman. Simple.

Can we talk more about Strome's poor skating or Marner's size?

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Agreed. Calling him a softer Bouwmeester is pretty ridiculous.

He's a lot harder on forwards than JBo was/is, he's physically stronger and almost constantly wins puck battles in tight. Just because he doesn't throw open ice hits every game, that doesn't mean he's not physical.
Also, as has been mentioned, there are plenty of top defensemen who uses smarts and positioning moreso than brute strength to defend.

I wish that more people would make judgments of a player based on personal viewings than assuming everything about a player from one or two scouts, especially when they go against the consensus.
Button's list comes out and all of a sudden, Hanifin is JBo at best. As if Button is the ultimate voice of reason.

I have no issue with people using these opinions as a tool to find out more about the player. I take issue with some people taking the words of few as gospel.

I agree with this assessment, J-Bo was more of try to force the player to the outside with his skating and positioning and fish for the puck with his stick, he shied away from a ton of battles and that certainly isn't the case with Hanifin, he engages in battles with purpose and tends to win them pretty handily. He's not a nasty player though he isn't laying nasty cross-checks into peoples lower backs infront of the net like Derrian Hatcher or Chris Pronger and he isn't hunting out there for those huge hits like Scott Stevens or Niklas Kronwall, but he's still a far ways off from being a softy like J-Bo or Tom Gilbert. I agree smarts and positioning are a lot more important then nastiness, it should be pointed out though that our management group still puts a priority on that, so I'm guessing that element factors much more heavily into their decisions then it does the average fan. I would hazard a guess that nasty physical element played a role in us picking Nurse. We also tried trading up for McIlrath in his draft year and we still like having our resident tough guys, and we've picked up guys like Fraser, Fistric, and Aulie who clearly were clearly never acquired for their puck-moving abilities.


Although I'm not sure if I agree with the general sentiment that being a Bouwmeester like defensemen should be considered a slanderous statement, he was very soft early and it took him a while to find his way, but he is a good defenseman in the here and now it just took him forever to get there, there have been far more disappointing d-men drafted early. From everything I've seen from Hanifin he could probably play right now and I don't think it would take him very long to get the hang of it, for the purposes of proper development 1 more year of college though would probably be best, he won't take as long as Bouwmeester did to flourish. I liked the comparisons of Alzner and Vlasic who I consider to be pretty close to the cream of the crop defensively and still contribute a bit more then just being pure shutdown guys, some scouts that I respect keep dropping the name Ryan McDonagh as a comp and this might be closer to the mark as I'm sure they've watched him more then me. McDonagh would reflect his defensive gifts, mobility, capacity to log huge minutes, and the ability to chip in offensively, but as I've argued I don't think his offense will ever be his strong suit and I think he lacks the natural gifts to be a top tier powerplay quarterback.

 

[Macblender]

I agree with this assessment, J-Bo was more of try to force the player to the outside with his skating and positioning and fish for the puck with his stick, he shied away from a ton of battles and that certainly isn't the case with Hanifin, he engages in battles with purpose and tends to win them pretty handily. He's not a nasty player though he isn't laying nasty cross-checks into peoples lower backs infront of the net like Derrian Hatcher or Chris Pronger and he isn't hunting out there for those huge hits like Scott Stevens or Niklas Kronwall, but he's still a far ways off from being a softy like J-Bo or Tom Gilbert. I agree smarts and positioning are a lot more important then nastiness, it should be pointed out though that our management group still puts a priority on that, so I'm guessing that element factors much more heavily into their decisions then it does the average fan. I would hazard a guess that nasty physical element played a role in us picking Nurse. We also tried trading up for McIlrath in his draft year and we still like having our resident tough guys, and we've picked up guys like Fraser, Fistric, and Aulie who clearly were clearly never acquired for their puck-moving abilities.


Although I'm not sure if I agree with the general sentiment that being a Bouwmeester like defensemen should be considered a slanderous statement, he was very soft early and it took him a while to find his way, but he is a good defenseman in the here and now it just took him forever to get there, there have been far more disappointing d-men drafted early. From everything I've seen from Hanifin he could probably play right now and I don't think it would take him very long to get the hang of it, for the purposes of proper development 1 more year of college though would probably be best, I'd bet money that he will find his way in the league a lot quicker then JBo did. I liked the comparisons of Alzner and Vlasic who I consider to be pretty close to the cream of the crop defensively and still contribute a bit more then just being pure shutdown guys, some scouts that I respect keep dropping the name Ryan McDonagh as a comp and this might be closer to the mark as I'm sure they've watched him more then me. McDonagh would reflect his defensive gifts, mobility, capacity to log huge minutes, and the ability to chip in offensively, but as I've argued I don't think his offense will ever be his strong suit and I think he lacks the natural gifts to be a top tier powerplay quarterback.

Pretty much 100% agree on this I don't think he is a top tier quarterback either but he could run a 1PP if you don't have a specialist with a great shot. I think he could develop his shot and be fine but I see it similar to a Pietrangelo situation where he isn't their premier option for their power play. We just need to get a specialist I am advocating for Ryan Ellis and hoping we trade Schultz.

 

[CupofOil]

I agree with this assessment, J-Bo was more of try to force the player to the outside with his skating and positioning and fish for the puck with his stick, he shied away from a ton of battles and that certainly isn't the case with Hanifin, he engages in battles with purpose and tends to win them pretty handily. He's not a nasty player though he isn't laying nasty cross-checks into peoples lower backs infront of the net like Derrian Hatcher or Chris Pronger and he isn't hunting out there for those huge hits like Scott Stevens or Niklas Kronwall, but he's still a far ways off from being a softy like J-Bo or Tom Gilbert. I agree smarts and positioning are a lot more important then nastiness, it should be pointed out though that our management group still puts a priority on that, so I'm guessing that element factors much more heavily into their decisions then it does the average fan. I would hazard a guess that nasty physical element played a role in us picking Nurse. We also tried trading up for McIlrath in his draft year and we still like having our resident tough guys, and we've picked up guys like Fraser, Fistric, and Aulie who clearly were clearly never acquired for their puck-moving abilities.


Although I'm not sure if I agree with the general sentiment that being a Bouwmeester like defensemen should be considered a slanderous statement, he was very soft early and it took him a while to find his way, but he is a good defenseman in the here and now it just took him forever to get there, there have been far more disappointing d-men drafted early. From everything I've seen from Hanifin he could probably play right now and I don't think it would take him very long to get the hang of it, for the purposes of proper development 1 more year of college though would probably be best, he won't take as long as Bouwmeester did to flourish. I liked the comparisons of Alzner and Vlasic who I consider to be pretty close to the cream of the crop defensively and still contribute a bit more then just being pure shutdown guys, some scouts that I respect keep dropping the name Ryan McDonagh as a comp and this might be closer to the mark as I'm sure they've watched him more then me. McDonagh would reflect his defensive gifts, mobility, capacity to log huge minutes, and the ability to chip in offensively, but as I've argued I don't think his offense will ever be his strong suit and I think he lacks the natural gifts to be a top tier powerplay quarterback.

Good assessment. As you stated, the biggest question with Hanifin is high end offensive upside. I think he'll be a 40+ point defenseman because his offensive hockey IQ is so high but I can see the concern there because he doesn't look for offense first and can be a bit casual at times.

Bouwmeester is a good Dman but ideally, you want somebody with higher upside at #3 in a strong draft so I'd think that ending up like Bouwmeester would be a bit of a disappointment. I think he has the potential to be a cornerstone Dman, not just a Robin to somebodys' Batman. If I knew going into the draft that he would be another Bouwmeester at best, I'd rather go with one of the forwards or Provorov.

 

[McCrumb]

Where is the "Who The **** Cares" option? Trade the pick for all care. Won't make the least bit of difference.

 

[orangeshinpads]

I'd take Crouse and build the team around him.

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