LeafsNation75
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That would prove Dubas correct how Babcock should have got fired after last years playoffs and Keefe should have been the coach at the start of this season.
If the Leafs miss the playoffs, does Dubas keep his job?
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LeafsNation75
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Toronto isn't losing now because of Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander. It's their goaltending from Andersen in these blowout loses which is the reason.
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easy. 3 / 11 plus million players. All forwards that aren’t known for defensive game. And 0 defenders.
Because the Leafs climbed well out of the Babcock hole and were free and clear in the 2nd spot. The inability from that point forward can't just use Babcock as the excuse.
Not to say Babcock isn't accountable. But to blame the last 60 games on the first 20 seems like a cop out.
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The next two weeks are going to be unbearable at this rate.
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I don’t even understand the question.
I’m referring to the players that Dubas gave precedented dramatic overpayments to.
I don’t understand what the confusion is.
LeafsNation75
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Babcock's decisions still cost them points in the standings and if they miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 points, it's very easy to still blame him.
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Leafs are on pace for 105 points for games in which Andersen starts. The team not being in a playoff position is clearly and 100% factually not Andersen’s fault.
The teams problem is a rookie gm that gave out unprecedented dramatic overpayments, and now doesn’t have the cap space to fill VERY exposed holes.
Sure.
But I also feel the loosey goosey system the team has now that sees them give up 4 to 6 goals consistently is equally concerning.
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If Andersen gives up a goal on a shot which was impossible to stop that's one thing. However last night he looked bad on the 1st, 2nd and 4th goals against.
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Yeah, it really sucks having high end game breaking skill. You want to give a d man $11m? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. You think they should’ve passed on JT? Who came for less than market value and cost 0 in assets to acquire?
im sure glad dubas and shanny are in charge and not people such as yourself.
All he’s done is add elite talent, add top 4 d men and ditch the previous regimes bad contracts.
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Uh... ok?
Andersen is slumping right now. I'm not sure if there's a single person arguing against that. But FACTS are facts. Leafs are pacing for 105 points in games that Andersen starts. The leafs being out of a playoff position is not on him. Not in the slightest.
The problem is unprecedented dramatic overpayments that prevent the leafs from filling very exposed holes throughout the rest of their lineup.
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Remains to be seen.
But even if thats the case, why trade an asset that would head for ufa anyways? You can just wait it out a few months and add him for capspace
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LeafsNation75
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In the end it should be on Andersen because he's responsible for not allowing the puck to get past him. So like I said before if he gives up a goal on an impossible shot you can not blame him for something like that. However when he allows a bad goal against that he should have saved, it's fair to blame him when that happens.
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With the Blues record right now there is no way they are even going to trade Pietrangelo. So it's not like the situation where John Tavares was in with the Islanders before he became a UFA.
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Nylanderthal
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Did dubas let in 6 weak goals last night? Has dubas shat the bed in net since the calendar change? Did he break Rielly and Muzzins feet? What kind of depth do you actually expect a cap compliant nhl team to have in the minors?
Why would you expect a team like Toronto to ever have cap space? We should always be at the upper limit. What we should not have is anchors on that cap, which Dubas alleviated last offseason eradicating Lou’s bad deals.
Your fascination with dubas is somewhat alarming.
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So in games Andersen starts, the leafs are pacing for 105 points. Yet the leafs currently being out of a playoff position is Andersen’s fault?
Does not compute...
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The leafs shouldn’t have more cap space. But the money wasted on unprecedented dramatic overpayments should have gone into defensive depth and a quality backup.
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I’m still awaiting a list of these “dramatic unprecedented overpayments” you speak of and some form of comparable that proves your point
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