Did the yotes ever try Domi at center before trading him ? Why didn t it work for him there ? Genuinely asking, I do not imagine the management eager to pay more for what they got for a guy they just tradedKuemper is a good goalie, but its not like he's Dryden. Did it effect the Yotes? Sure, but lets not pretend that Kuemper is an elite goalie or anything.
Yotes are badly in need of some REAL centers. I know Dvorak is only 24, but that guy's game just isn't suited for playing with Hall or Kessel. He's more of a decent 2c and a killer 3c. And then that brings us to 6.5 million 21 point center Derek Stepan... yikes.
Is it the Hall effect or the Kuemper injury effect? Correlating the losing streak with Hall is like saying the Canucks haven't won the Cup because of Luongo and the Sedin twins.
Kuemper is a good goalie, but its not like he's Dryden. Did it effect the Yotes? Sure, but lets not pretend that Kuemper is an elite goalie or anything.
Yotes are badly in need of some REAL centers. I know Dvorak is only 24, but that guy's game just isn't suited for playing with Hall or Kessel. He's more of a decent 2c and a killer 3c. And then that brings us to 6.5 million 21 point center Derek Stepan... yikes.
Kuemper is a good goalie, but its not like he's Dryden. Did it effect the Yotes? Sure, but lets not pretend that Kuemper is an elite goalie or anything.
Yotes are badly in need of some REAL centers. I know Dvorak is only 24, but that guy's game just isn't suited for playing with Hall or Kessel. He's more of a decent 2c and a killer 3c. And then that brings us to 6.5 million 21 point center Derek Stepan... yikes.
) I think the idea at the time was that the Coyotes were already in a good position in the standings so they wanted to give themselves a better chance of staying in that position rather than worry about the team regressing. Unfortunately it looks like both things have occurred but the Coyotes could easily win 3-4 in a row and the conversation swings back the other direction. I guess the result of this topic's premise will be contingent on how the Coyotes look on TDL-eve
Yes, it didn't work because he was bad (not just at center, he was mostly just bad that entire year)
If you ever want a fun read (don't bump it or I'll have to do something
Read the Domi trade thread.
Confirmed Trade: - [MTL/ARI] Galchenyuk to Arizona, Domi to Montreal
EVERYONE was crapping on Domi, it was absurd. He really did have a bad year (people also pretended it was 2 bad years, which wasn't the case) but his rebound was extremely obvious for those with eyes to see it coming.
And just to sort of tie the Domi (see that I did there) thing back to Hall, again for people with eyes to see what's going on here Hall has not been in any sense a problem in Arizona. That the trade hasn't singlehandedly kept the team afloat is not his fault.
its weird cuz raanta before now when he wasnt hurt was a good to great goalieThank you for the answer regarding Domi.
Agreed for Hall, I believe people are mixing up correlation (here coincidence) and causality. Kuemper has been so good in the past and Raanta cannot keep up with !
true but raanta before this stint was better than he is atm when he did playNot as good as Kuemper has been, right ?
Hall is by far the best player we’ve had in the last 20 years and it’s not even close.
For a top level forward like Hall it is going to cost your 1st + a very good prospect. Heck, Hayes returned a 1st and a good player. Of course the canucks don't have their 1st.
Since this thread is ostensibly about Hall, we're not trading Hall. Also Chayka pushed fewer chips in than people are acting like, we don't really need to recoup all that much value in a theoretical world where the Coyotes completely fall out of it. Bahl is an extremely long term project as far as prospects go, conditionals are conditional, and the first that's going is probably gonna be pretty meh anyway.
A meh first and a project for a chance to make the playoffs for a team with an absurd drought? It was the right call all day every day. That it didn't work out tremendously doesn't reflect on the quality of the bet that was made.
It's like this site is bipolar. Oh the Coyotes have such an awful playoff drought when are they gonna make it. Oh they aren't trying to do it THE RIGHT WAY, trade now players for futures and build build build like the HF motto says.
Well bad news kids, the Coyotes tried it the conventional way and got reamed by the lottery rule changes. Adjust to the new paradigm. Chayka may flame out but he's not playing by the usual rules nor is he the type of numbers based GM people think he is.
Darcy Kuemper has been playing like an elite goalie, whether he "is" one or not based on some metric of how long he was doing it isn't really relevant to the Coyotes at the moment. Nobody cares that we lost the #3 or #5 ranked goalie based on some list of eliteness. We care that we lost .926 level play over the last two seasons.
Yes, it didn't work because he was bad (not just at center, he was mostly just bad that entire year)
If you ever want a fun read (don't bump it or I'll have to do something
Read the Domi trade thread.
Confirmed Trade: - [MTL/ARI] Galchenyuk to Arizona, Domi to Montreal
EVERYONE was crapping on Domi, it was absurd. He really did have a bad year (people also pretended it was 2 bad years, which wasn't the case) but his rebound was extremely obvious for those with eyes to see it coming.
And just to sort of tie the Domi (see that I did there) thing back to Hall, again for people with eyes to see what's going on here Hall has not been in any sense a problem in Arizona. That the trade hasn't singlehandedly kept the team afloat is not his fault.
I know that. I was responding to a post that questioned if some teams would even trade their first for Hall after how bad Arizona has been since acquiring him
What's to understand? The team was very competitive but with very little offensive talent. Adding a "star" offensive player was exactly what was needed. In addition, the trade energized / excited the fan base.
