The Crypto Guy
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AgreedI know. I just don't think that Holtby deserves to be in this conversation either. Plenty of goalies rank ahead of him in my mind. Fleury is one of them.
I like Holtby I really do but I'm sorry hes not any where close to Fuhr. Like not even in the same rink yet close.
Fuhr, 868 gp, 403 wins, 5 cups, 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings, 6 time all star, NHL record for longest undefeated streak by a goalie in his first NHL season - 23, NHL record for most assists in a single season by a goaltender - 14, 87 Canada cup all star and winning goalie, 89 World cup silver medal. ranked in the top 100 players not just goalies.I can't tell if you are undervaluing Holtby or overrating Fuhr because you didn't provide any content in your reply.
He's still way up there compared to contemporary competition, though, right?
Fuhr, 868 gp, 403 wins, 5 cups, 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings, 6 time all star, NHL record for longest undefeated streak by a goalie in his first NHL season - 23, NHL record for most assists in a single season by a goaltender - 14, 87 Canada cup all star and winning goalie, 89 World cup silver medal. ranked in the top 100 players not just goalies.
Holtby , has a good amount of time left to play but as of now 361 gp, 225 wins, 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings, He was the 2nd fastest to reach 200 wins but he has the shoot out for this, 3 all star games. that's it like I said hes good but like it or not hes not 5 cups good as of right now hes no cups at all.
That’s a nice team stat.He has a 0.62 win %. Only Dryden won more often
Bud we are just going to have to agree to dis agree on this one.You're giving Fuhr credit for things he didn't accomplish. 1 of those cups he didn't play a single minute in the playoff run for. That Jennings belongs to Hasek and Buffalo could only get it because Fuhr got hurt. His GAA was awful that year. You're also punishing Holtby for still being an active player by comparing a full career's worth of statistics and accolades against a partial one's.
They each have a Vezina, and Fuhr had a substantially better roster in front of him which caused him to have more wins (slightly, somehow: 226 vs 225) and more cups by the time he was Holtby's age. It's closer than you think, and while I'm not prepared to label Holtby top 25 if he retired right after this hypothetical cup win, he could definitely be there by the time he retires. If Holtby gets a Conn Smythe somehow then he is no doubt superior to Fuhr, but that's pretty unlikely to happen.
Ok...Plante, Roy, Dryden, Vezina, Price all ahead of him - and that's just a one team list. So......yes, homer, 15 is waaaaaay too high.Holtbeast is around top 15 all-time. Don't want to go higher or people will call me a homer
Not the kind of goalie that can win games by himself. If the system is there, he flourishes, if it breaks down, he lets in softies galore. He's basically a system goalie. That being said, he's still fairly young so 2-3 top tier seasons + another Vezina/or a cup or two should catapult him to the top 20. That's a lot to ask, but he has the right pieces around him and 3-4 more years of top-tier OV/Backstrom/Oshie + Kuznetsov, so it's doable.
Right now.. probably top 50.. maybe you can make a case for top 40, but that's pushing it.
Where would you rank him?
well I said if they win, so I assume he would play up to standards for it to happenWouldn't it matter how he plays in the SCF?
Where would you rank him?