Speculation: If Columbus Trades Hartnell's Remaining Cap

[Sawdalite]

With every suggestion that Hextall was taken to the woodshed by the Blue Jackets with the Umberger for Hartnell Deal, there is a quick and stern detailed explanation about how the Flyers will need CapSpace in 2016-17 therefore we should be fine with it.

There is now a very strong possibility that Columbus will deal way the final years of Hartnell's Contract as the Flyers BuyOut Umberger... That be the case, the result of the deal will be that the Flyers got two God awful Seasons from Umberger while the BJs got two very serviceable Seasons from Scott... The Flyers still have a reduced CapHit each of the next two Seasons while the Jackets most likely and easily conceivably could have no Hartnell Cap Hit and a replacement Player of their choosing going forward.

My Poll Question addresses how out outlook may have changed given the above circumstances... if they do occur.

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[hatcher]

Could have traded Hartnell anytime. Hexy ****ed up and traded for a bum.

 

[Cyborg LeClair]

Still got rid of his bad penalties which is good for a team that was one of the worst penalty killing teams the last two years. Also got Provorov out of being so bad last year. Im not upset even a little bit

 

[hatcher]

Win some lose some.

 

[Curufinwe]

Check out these offers for him.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2092553

Hartnell for Higgins OR Burrows

Higgy has 1 yr left @ 2.5M

Dorsett and a second? Almost half of Hartnell's salary off the book, some of the grit and leadership is retained, and Columbus is familiar with Dorsett and vice versa.

Our second this year has been traded away, but we have next years or the future Blue Jackets 2nd for the Tortarella hiring to offer back.

Something around Winnik + 2017 2nd*?

*Capitals no longer own their 2016 2nd.

Montreal can give you Desharnais, Nygren and a 2nd pick 2017 for Hartnell@20% retained.

Hartnell for Callahan?

 

[SpookyHockey]

Hartnell also lost a lot of trade value this summer with NMC's being forced to be protected in next year's expansion draft and the salary cap most likely not going up. That makes things look a lot better for the Flyers, but no one saw that coming two years ago.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I voted other because I can't call the trade a win from the Flyers' end. I also can't entirely call it a mistake because I think everyone knew from day one that Hextall understood he was losing short term for long term certainty. Let's call it a loss by design?

 

[WestrnPhlyr]

I dunno, based on everything I have seen and read I think it everyone got what they wanted in the end.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Not a great trade but Hextall's positive stuff far greatly outweighs the negative.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Still got rid of his bad penalties which is good for a team that was one of the worst penalty killing teams the last two years. Also got Provorov out of being so bad last year. Im not upset even a little bit

Maybe Hartnell giving those teams extra PK practice helped

 

[BernieParent]

I understand the need to move Hartnell but I am still flabbergasted that RJ Umberger and a 4th were the best offer. I voted OTHER, as in the Flyers should have made a better trade. I know that this may be unrealistic. If it were only the three main options, I would have said the Flyers shouldn't have traded.

 

[whitstifier]

Still got rid of his bad penalties which is good for a team that was one of the worst penalty killing teams the last two years. Also got Provorov out of being so bad last year. Im not upset even a little bit

And now the Flyers have Gudas to take all those bad penalties!

 

[Laveuglette]

That trade was bad from day 1, like it or not, Hextall failed on this.

 

[Striiker]

Oh good this again.

 

[Curufinwe]

Dreger now reporting that CBJ are attaching Hartnell to the 3rd overall pick in order to create cap space.

 

[FLYguy3911]

That doesn't sound like a good idea.

 

[whitstifier]

Oh good this again.

There should be a sticky, because every time this gets brought up, nothing new is added to the topic

 

[Striiker]

There should be a sticky, because every time this gets brought up, nothing new is added to the topic

Nahhhh I'm sure this time a brand new view of the situation will be discussed and it won't be the same **** over and over again.

 

[Adam Warlock]

The point of the deal was always for the cap relief they got the other day. I think hexy expected more out of RJ tho...maybe a couple of 15 goal seasons.

Oh well. Ill be happy to see Hartsy out of the division so I can root for him again.

 

[Sawdalite]

I voted other because I can't call the trade a win from the Flyers' end. I also can't entirely call it a mistake because I think everyone knew from day one that Hextall understood he was losing short term for long term certainty. Let's call it a loss by design?

Why not use Harnell's services for a couple Seasons and allow Columbus to Buy him Out two years ago... then trade Hartnell for whatever they can get thsi OffSeason like the BJs will?

We were told that the Flyers would be free and clear after three Seasons at most while the Jackets would be stuck with Hartnell's Cap and declining play for years to come... heard that every second back a couple years ago... now we see that we got two Seasons of dreck while Columbus got goals and sill have an asset to move while the Flyers have dead Cap Space for two more Seasons.

My point is that the thing that we dummies were assured was the smart move wasn't really all that smart... Still comes down to Hexy selling short when he could have done much better. IMO, Today's Hexy doesn't make that blunder... at least I'd hope not.

 

[Sawdalite]

Oh good this again.

Yeah... but without the Fairy Tale Ending being shoved down our throats.

 

[Sawdalite]

Not a great trade but Hextall's positive stuff far greatly outweighs the negative.

This was by no means an indictment on Hextall as GM... merely a revisiting of an early mistake of his that hopefully added to his learning curve.

Hexy has done much better .......... MUCH, MUCH, MUCH....... subsequently. I love most of his deals, just not this particular one.

 

[Sawdalite]

There should be a sticky, because every time this gets brought up, nothing new is added to the topic

Nahhhh I'm sure this time a brand new view of the situation will be discussed and it won't be the same **** over and over again.

Two years ago we were called dummies because the Flyers would be free of Cap Hits and the Jackets would be stuck with an albatross... Today the Flyers have an added Season of Dead Cap Space while Columbus has an asset to move.

Are not updated facts and information adding to the topic?

I suppose some of you will continue to point to how the Flyers will have the Cap Space and the BJs won't... and the two Seasons of Hartnell output verses the bench warming of Umberger will be totally ignored.


Uhhh... I guess I can see why some people don't want this brought up again.

 

[Flyotes]

Dreger now reporting that CBJ are attaching Hartnell to the 3rd overall pick in order to create cap space.

Wow. That decreases it's value.

I could see a team willing to take Hartnell for two years, buy out the last year if needed, swap firsts and a prospect in order to get: Hartnell + Puljujarvi.

Re:

Hartnell + 3OV for
Team's 1st + high upside prospect, but not 3OV upside, but close-ish.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Why not use Harnell's services for a couple Seasons and allow Columbus to Buy him Out two years ago... then trade Hartnell for whatever they can get thsi OffSeason like the BJs will?

We were told that the Flyers would be free and clear after three Seasons at most while the Jackets would be stuck with Hartnell's Cap and declining play for years to come... heard that every second back a couple years ago... now we see that we got two Seasons of dreck while Columbus got goals and sill have an asset to move while the Flyers have dead Cap Space for two more Seasons.

My point is that the thing that we dummies were assured was the smart move wasn't really all that smart... Still comes down to Hexy selling short when he could have done much better. IMO, Today's Hexy doesn't make that blunder... at least I'd hope not.

Most importantly, I never called you or anyone else a dummy, so please don't put those words in my mouth. I try to be cognizant of attacking viewpoints rather than people. The difference may not matter to you, but it does to me.

Every GM is going to make mistakes. You just want the good to significantly outweigh the bad. I don't really have any idea why you chose to quote me given that I clearly said it was not a win for the Flyers. It was never supposed to be a hockey win. That's all that I said. Umberger was shot and we all knew it.