LeBrun: "I think you're talking Johnsson or Kapanen" for a RHD with term

[TS Quint]

LeBrun cementing himself as easily the dumbest most useless "insider" in the game. Who is he related to that allows him to be paid as an "insider"?

 

[MuckOG]

It doesn't have to make sense when the topic is about how the Leafs value the player, and how the player is valued around the league. Fans have been throwing him into random things like for backup goalies and stuff and it shows how far off they are with his value around the league.

Leafs really like him and for good reason. I would hate to see our PK without him.

I agree that Kapanen has value, but there just isn't a fit with Minnesota. If Lebrun would've taken two minutes to look at the Wild's roster and contracts, there is no way he would've speculated what he did. Just laziness on his part.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Nothing hopeful about it, Kapanen for Brett Pesce was being discussed last off season, he has more value than people who don't watch him think he does. And Dumba imo would be a terrible fit for us.

90% of all hockey media is in Canada, when you realize that it'll help you drop the idea that things are reported unfairly, or that Canadians are only being pandered to by these people who we watch and listen to daily while they give the real deal info on their 2 minute weekly guest spot on the NHL network.

Its conspiracy like thinking, and sad.

I did not intend for this to be a Canadian based speculation. I just went in terms of a large fan base that speculates upon trades regarding their teams. As a resident of St. Louis some of the trades being discussed that you hear on the media are absolutely wishful thinking on our behalf. Which would be, i'm assuming fairly consistent with trades being discussed on Toronto Sports Net for Toronto based teams.

Radio broadcasts do and should pander to their local listeners, that's essentially what i was getting at.

 

[Waterbuf]

Imagine Minnesota being that stupid

I mean, that's kind of easy to imagine.

 

[ToDavid]

Something people should remember when participating in this thread. People love to pretend insiders are gospel when they agree with them and nothing but crackpot rumourmongers when they don't.

Let's just take it for what it is. A guy who is speaking from a position of experience who may or may not have some legit insider information but also who's job it is to get eyeballs on the television set/website. So basically who knows.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

I'm a Toronto fan who is explaining why the Leafs would value Kapanen so heavily in a thread dedicated to such. You are a fan adding nothing but personal insults.

You literally said you believed guerin offered Dumba to Toronto straight up for kapanen and was turned down, so yes it's funny & laughable comment

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Matt Dumba would probably require atleast Kaps and A.J.
What is Lebrun on?

Ya this is pretty wild but it's a breathe of fresh air after years of Craig Button and his Nylander for Montour proposals.

 

[MuckOG]

If Guerin really offered Dumba to the Leafs, Russo would've sniffed it out immediately.

 

[Habs Halifax]

TSN Radio just now. Lebrun says teams love Kappy and he would fetch Dumba straight up if the Leafs wanted to.

Lebrun also said Kovalchuk can get a 2nd. For the Habs and Leafs sake, lets hope he is right two times in a row

 

[93gilmour93]

If this happens HF will crash. Lol. If Kapanen lands Dumba the only thing holding up a trade would be moving the Ceci contract in a separate deal to free up the space.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

If Guerin really offered Dumba to the Leafs, Russo would've sniffed it out immediately.

Exactly & would already be bashing Guerin on Twitter

 

[TML1967]

If (operating in a universe where Kap=Dumba) Leafs would need to move out an additional 2.8m.

So where does Ceci go? A right side of Dumba, Barrie, Holl is decent. (I'd prefer to find a way to trade Barrie for a better defensive guy (Manson type) but that's seperate)

 

[Kamiccolo]

I agree that Kapanen has value, but there just isn't a fit with Minnesota. If Lebrun would've taken two minutes to look at the Wild's roster and contracts, there is no way he would've speculated what he did. Just laziness on his part.

It's not a trade proposal. He is saying that Kapanen has enough value to get someone like Dumba, not that this is a trade that will happen.

You literally said you believed guerin offered Dumba to Toronto straight up for kapanen and was turned down, so yes it's funny & laughable comment

No I literally did not say that. I said IF Dumba was offered, it's not unreasonable for Dubas to hesitate pulling the trigger and gave reasons why. Take your misdirected outrage elsewhere.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Then why hasn't Toronto done it ?

 

[Lion Hound]

Lebrun knocking back some of grandpa's cough syrup.

"You boys been doing a bit of boozin, have ya?"

 

[BleedBlue14]

Fair point for sure, but I'd argue under Keefe they don't really run and gun. But that is a derailing point to make

I would say that Kapanen is one of the few players on the Leafs who's value is not in his scoring, which is why he is so valuable to them.

Which i'm sure is true, he seems like a player that is fast and hard on the puck. From an outside perspective it seems a bit hard to actually believe Kapanen would put up 45 points next to a Luke Kunin as opposed to a Tavares especially given the different systems that are in place for each team etc. etc. Regardless, is he still a player that is very valuable? Absolutely, it just depends on what x team is looking for and in my opinion for what it's worth it's hard to justify him as a surefire top 6 point producer.

 

[93gilmour93]

Then why hasn't Toronto done it ?

Cap room. Would need a separate deal to happen also

 

[easton117]

I believe it. Dumba is nothing special if you look at his analytics and it seems like more and more teams are looking at those stats instead of just points, especially when evaluating dmen. Plus there's the added concern that he hasn't looked the same since his injury.

It’s not saying much because they all looked bad that day. But in the Boston/Minny game he looked like the best player on that roster.

If I’m trading that guy I want someone coming back that I can sell as an equal/more important player.

Not sure Kapanen would be that guy. This one seems like Lebrun needed to fill 10 minutes of air time to pump up the TDL show coming up

 

[Bazeek]

It's not a trade proposal. He is saying that Kapanen has enough value to get someone like Dumba, not that this is a trade that will happen.

Since the media has apparently failed at this, do Toronto fans have any ideas of which Dumba-like players would actually be available in a trade for Kapanen?

 

[93gilmour93]

Lebrun makes a statement..."Stupid Leafs fans!!!"....yup.

Lol. HF boards in a nutshell

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Which i'm sure is true, he seems like a player that is fast and hard on the puck. From an outside perspective it seems a bit hard to actually believe Kapanen would put up 45 points next to a Luke Kunin as opposed to a Tavares especially given the different systems that are in place for each team etc. etc. Regardless, is he still a player that is very valuable? Absolutely, it just depends on what x team is looking for and in my opinion for what it's worth it's hard to justify him as a surefire top 6 point producer.

Once again kapanen wouldn't play in wild top 6 & wild already have too many wingers

 

[Ryan Michaels]

People are going to be surprised how much value he has.

- Name recognition and pedigree (1st round pick, NHL bloodlines, traded for Kessel)
- 23 with significant untapped potential (was overcooked in the AHL)
- Elite attributes (skating especially, hands/shot combo)
- Great PKer
- 45-50 point guy from the bottom six
- Cheap contract with term
- RFA (still) at the end of his current contract
- Right handed shot (can play both sides, but is better at RW)

There's a huge amount of control and potential with this player.


I give it less than half a season after he's traded before people start proclaiming Kapanen is a top line player.

I don't see the untapped potential. He does not play well with others, Kap has to be the first guy in history who Tavares couldn't play with, he was also a bad fit with all of our other elite players. To your other points, yes, Kapanen is a very unique and good player to have for his speed/production and versatility but will he ever be a particularly good top 6er? I doubt it. He has severe tunnel vision and he's a puck hog with mediocre finish.

 

[Liferleafer]

Really? How has it not happened yet then?

Dubas is shrewd...he's waiting for the inclusion of the all important 4th round pick from Minny.

 

[Cor]

This is positive for the leafs so it can’t be true

 

[Kamiccolo]

Which i'm sure is true, he seems like a player that is fast and hard on the puck. From an outside perspective it seems a bit hard to actually believe Kapanen would put up 45 points next to a Luke Kunin as opposed to a Tavares especially given the different systems that are in place for each team etc. etc. Regardless, is he still a player that is very valuable? Absolutely, it just depends on what x team is looking for and in my opinion for what it's worth it's hard to justify him as a surefire top 6 point producer.

That's the thing, you are assuming he is playing with JT or Matthews, when most of the time he is on the third line with either Kerfoot, Spezza, or recently Engvall. He also gets only 2nd PP time.

That's where the "mystery" value comes from. If you plop him on your top line and 1st PP unit, do you get a say, 60 point+ winger instead of a 45 point one? And a 60 point winger with his overall game is pretty damn valuable around the league.

Since the media has apparently failed at this, do Toronto fans have any ideas of which Dumba-like players would actually be available in a trade for Kapanen?

I think the general message is supposed to be that Kapanen has the value to be the main piece in a deal for a D upgrade, but people are taking it at face value.