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thought Bogo played much better last night - still would rather see him paired with Clitsome and Toby/Buff get all the Dzone starts
Oh, and Jones is very smooth...
And Weber is the best defenseman I've seen this year. Makes Subban look like a 3rd pairing guy defensively and Karlsson looks like a junior player compared to him.
An alternative viewpoint is that the Pavelec "discussion" isn't really a discussion any longer. Rather, it seems to have become an exercise in flogging people over the head about how terrible he is, and trying to determine how much blame he's to shoulder for each and every loss.
I'm not even sure what you'd consider a "Pavelec supporter" to be at this point. I've seen very few people say he's even an average NHL netminder, even fewer saying that he's anything resembling good.
The Pavelec debate jumped the shark a long time ago, tbh. Most here agree that he needs to be better.
Yeah there is no doubt about that. We're all aware of his numbers, and the numbers of this team overall under this coach.
We all know the goaltending needs to be better, and the coach needs to be better...it's right there in the numbers and results. So we should spend the majority of the time harping on it right?
No, not really. I mean there's nothing against the forum rules against doing so. I would not call any one here 'trolls', and no rules are being broken...that I can tell.
But just like in real life...conversations are more enjoyable, when they're 'even'. Human interaction is more stimulating when it's varied: positive points, negative points, points in-between.
IMHO, people should try considering how their posting habits and behaviour on forum contributes to this community. I look back over the last two months and think about how my own posting habits have swung towards the negative, and I don't like it. I've become more 'jerkish'. Ultimately, we have very little control over what happens to this team. We do however, have some modicum of control on this board. What we say here, what we add to conversations, is what distinguishes us as being called 'intelligent fans' and the casual guy yelling 'shoot' at the TV when there is no lane open.
There is little joy in joyland right now. We don't need to bury our heads in the sand about the goaltending, but we don't need to harp on it either. At least not in the PGT, where it seems the conversation is all about Pavs, when the game that was lost over this 60 minute frame, wasn't all because of Pavs. That doesn't add any joy. It makes the rest of us even more miserable.
I guess it's cathartic to bring it up, you really dislike Pavs. Probably enjoyable on some level, actually. Whenever you can tell someone 'I told you so', it's always satisfying on some primal level.
But just because you can, doesn't mean you should. What does it contribute? What are you telling us that we don't already know? Why not mix up the conversation? What can be gained, by bringing focus to the negative repeatedly? Why not discuss positives and negatives? Why rehash old points, especially when you know others find it irksome? Why, irk others to the point that they no longer participate in the forums? Is that winning? Is our team better because of it, or or community? Nope.
I'm not saying that we should just flip a switch and go all 'rainbows and sunshine'. Just...try to exercise a little tact and balance in our posting. We can be smarter posters. Things are getting a little misanthropic here. You can either be a John Scott on the forums, or an Andrew Ladd. Or at least try to be something in-between, like a Peluso at least.
Thus ends my little diatribe on human/community relations. My last hopefully...
thought Bogo played much better last night - still would rather see him paired with Clitsome and Toby/Buff get all the Dzone starts
Not saying that's a bad idea as we all know how good Enstrom and Buff are together, but I've kind of liked Bogo and Enstrom in this small sample size.
Enstrom is a good puck mover, so Bogo can concentrate on separating guys from the puck and getting pucks to Enstrom.
Would like to see more Bogo and Enstrom myself just to get a larger sample size.
Thus far the TOI is nearly even with the two when I adjusted for zone starts and score...
46 mins with Buff at 54.3% Corsi% (or +8 Corsi)
41 mins with Bogo at 53.9% Corsi% (or +6 Corsi)
(in case someone wants to know, the raw numbers without adjusting is 54.3% with Byfuglien for 109 minutes and 50.0% with Bogosian for 67 minutes)
Interesting. Guessing, my hypothesis is that the team is better overall with the Enstrom / Bogo and Buff / Clitsome pairings, with the reasoning that Enstrom with either Buff and Bogo seems to be somewhat close, but I would guess that Buff and Clitsome is better than Bogo and Clitsome?
Interesting. Guessing, my hypothesis is that the team is better overall with the Enstrom / Bogo and Buff / Clitsome pairings, with the reasoning that Enstrom with either Buff and Bogo seems to be somewhat close, but I would guess that Buff and Clitsome is better than Bogo and Clitsome?
Again giveaways and takeaways are the most RIDICULOUS stats collected by NHL.com. They are random and make no sense. Worst thing ever, NEVER use them. Beyond useless. Peluso could not hang to the puck to save his life to start the year, last year or pre-season. He has been improving last couple of games.
If you refused to see the turnovers which is why he wasn't playing, that's your fault. He was, which is why Noel wasn't playing him. Watching from a coaching perspective it was obvious (which is WAAAAY different than a fan's perspective as I am learning in the past two years coaching).
Congratulations your constantly call outs brought me out. I have been trying to avoid your and other call outs on Peluso since I was done talking about him. He is improving though. Still have my doubts if he will stick, but he has been a reasonable call up type option right now and going forward. We'll see if he builds on that. Still been lots of money and resources expended on him so far, that could have went to Cormier, Machacek, etc, who knows what they could have become with that ridiculous patience. But I will hold judgement until we can see if Peluso can play. Right now that patience looks alright. We'll see.
That being said, here is my recap of the game (on Arctic Ice Hockey, I'm the author). Note #2 on my list. It based on much more than the goal, overall he was not turning the puck over, making smarter decisions, showing more confidence, getting quicker on the forecheck, etc.
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/10/25/5026632/jets-fall-3-2-in-ot-to-predators#comments
Clitsome and Bogosian have barely seen eachother in their career
Another ignorant post. People don't want to talk about it 24/7 like some obsessed people because there are other things to talk about and it's . All you have to do is look at it from a different perspective and you would realize that.
People are so caught up on ONE thing, they ignore everything else. Like the fact that someone like you seems to ignore the fact that we played way too loose late in the Nashville game and it was only a matter of time before a puck went in, whereas Nashville had things locked down pretty good.
But because more then 2 goals went in, regardless how they did go in, people want to do nothing but talk about Pavs. And it's starting to become borderline psychotic.
If something else of more context was brought to the situation, people wouldn't jump to conclusions about certain opinions, yet none is brought, so the same stuff is said, over and over and over and over.
It's also hard to take certain opinions serious when blame is only thrown at one player, which is a very ignorant way to go. Last I checked, it's a team game, yet we want to blame the same guy every game?? Like I said...
Clitsome should be in the AHL. Along with James Wright, Olli, Tangradi, Thorburn, Postma, etc. etc. Keep stocking those cupboards Chevy, that's our only hope. Oh and after having Olli on the ice for the full 2 minutes of that powerplay with 3:30 left in the 3rd, Noel can go too. Sorry for the negativity, You can only stay positive for so long.
Clitsome was fine last night IMHO.
Olli is having a decent start. On pace for 45 pts or so, good in shootouts, and nice setup on the Peluso goal last night.
I think people are just trying to see the Jokinen from laat year all over again. Is he overpayed? Unfortanutely yes, but he's looked pretty decent in that 2nd line center role IMHO.
So remember when we thought the jets have forward depth now? Im starting to think otherwise. The offseason additions, frolik and seto, havent really contributed offensively. And where is ladd? The top two lines have been weak.
So remember when we thought the jets have forward depth now? Im starting to think otherwise. The offseason additions, frolik and seto, havent really contributed offensively. And where is ladd? The top two lines have been weak.
I think people are just trying to see the Jokinen from laat year all over again. Is he overpayed? Unfortanutely yes, but he's looked pretty decent in that 2nd line center role IMHO.
I'm not disappointed in Frolik. 6 points in 11 games, which is more than I expected. Again, that line looked good on the Peluso goal. He had 10 pts in 45 games with the Hawks last year, and 15 pts in 63 games the year before (and a -10).
Ladd had 3 assists on Tuesday, and another helper yesterday.
Little is looking good, 8 pts in 11 with 5g...could net 25+ goals this year. Was kept off the scoresheet yesterday though.