McKenzie: I get the feeling Matthews & Marner want to wait until next summer to sign

[BrockLobster]

I look forward to the 5 daily threads of "mathews to the NYI".

 

[LeafsNation75]

To me he doesn’t look happy in Toronto. Just my opinion, I the leafs move on from this player, hence the hesitation to want to sign him long term.

If you want to live in a fantasy world and believe a fake news story like that go right ahead.

 

[Notsince67]

Because every single comparable player to Marner has gotten under $7M on long-term contracts. There is no precedent over the last two years to indicate Marner could or would fetch anything more than $7M max.

The idea that he'll get $8M or $9M is absurd.

All facts and comparables indicate both Marner and Nylander will get $7M or less on 5-8 year deals.

Marner has another year. Argue against a Draisaitl comparable if Marner can put 80 pts up. Looking at p/60...there is already a case.

 

[rent free]

I really get Marner. He can be PPG next season. He was on a 100+ pace from jan 24th-on after getting more TOI and better linemates.

he wasn't at a 100+pace from january 24th-on. he wasn't even at a 95 point pace. he was at a 92 point pace

 

[PKWeber]

Habs will sign AM to an offer sheet for 13.5M after they draft Jack Hughes first overall in the 2019 draft

 

[ACC1224]

Habs will sign AM to an offer sheet for 13.5M after they draft Jack Hughes first overall in the 2019 draft

Why would he sign that?

 

[PKWeber]

Why would he sign that?

Why wouldn’t he?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Fine to think about it if it fills a need, but I don’t see the Leafs doing that ever.

Oh no doubt. I am not saying it should or will happen. Just an interesting thought. I'd be terrified of the Leafs with JT and OEL playing 30 min a night

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I didn't say the Leafs would get OEL for Nylander or Marner. I haven't brought up OEL once.

Nah nah nah I am not saying that you're saying that. Just using it as an example.

 

[bukwas]

Waiting seems like the sensible approach.
Not sure why it's particularly newsworthy though.

 

[Scott Malkinson]

Why wouldn’t he?

Because if Toronto walks away from it, he has to play for Montreal.

 

[rent free]

I look forward to the 5 daily threads of "mathews to the NYI".

if he wants to play infront of a low attendance, then we'd ship him to his hometown team

 

[Nizdizzle]

Dubas on the Nylander, Marner, Matthews contracts:

 

[LeafsNation75]

Maple Leafs GM Dubas goes into familiar territory to pick Sandin in the first round, 29th overall

The agent for Marner is confident that when he sits down with Dubas to begin serious negotiations on a new contract, there won’t be the kind of tension that many are expecting.

“I don’t anticipate a battle,” Darren Ferris said. “Everything will be done in time, and there isn’t any rush. Both sides will be patient. Both have a common interest, and I don’t anticipate it being difficult.”

Though Dubas and the representatives for each player can start negotiating on July 1, that’s not likely to happen. Dubas has indicated he will approach the Matthews and Marner situations with patience and with the appreciation that neither contract will get done over night.

Where the negotiations between Ferris and Dubas could get interesting is if there’s a contract sought that is more in line with what Matthews is expected to seek. If Marner has another season in which he was equal to or better than Matthews in some statistical areas, expect Ferris to make a case that his client should, at the least, be in line with Matthews contract-wise.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Because every single comparable player to Marner has gotten under $7M on long-term contracts. There is no precedent over the last two years to indicate Marner could or would fetch anything more than $7M max.

The idea that he'll get $8M or $9M is absurd.

All facts and comparables indicate both Marner and Nylander will get $7M or less on 5-8 year deals.

Yes there is.
Example:
MacKinnon got 6,3 million straight out of his ELC, after a 52 point season in 15/16 and 0,70 ppg in his first 3 seasons in the NHL.
Marner has 0,82ppg after his first 2 seasons.
Why shouldnt he demand more than that? He has better numbers and the cap has gone up alot since MacKinnon signed his contract.

MacKinnon signed for almost 9% of the cap, 9% of 79,5 million(18/19 cap hit) is 7,155 million.
If the cap goes up even more in 19/20 (when Marners contract kicks in) that number would be even higher, then account for Marner having 0,82ppg and MacKinnon 0,70 ppg and Marner should demand well over 7 million on a longterm deal.

 

[Hogie Hogilthorpe]

Wow, lots of trouble in Toronto. First the Matthews-Babcock rift and now he's refusing to re-sign.

I don’t trust Austin at all. That’s why Tavares should be a Dubas priority

 

[Hogie Hogilthorpe]

This is bad new for leafs management.

It will only cost more to sign them in the future.

I still firmly believe tho that there is a MAJOR rift between Mathews and Babcock

I agree. And Austin is right.

 

[darcyRegier]

If there's a problem between Matthews & Babcock goes, you find a new coach before you trade the franchise center

 

[Hogie Hogilthorpe]

I agree. And Austin is right.

I think babcock’s ego is a problem. He needs to be knocked down a peg or two

 

[Hogie Hogilthorpe]

I think babcock’s ego is a problem. He needs to be knocked down a peg or two

The Toronto media had to change his line combos for him for god sakes

 

[Hogie Hogilthorpe]

The Matthews and Babcock "tension" thread on the main page you try to make a big deal out of it, but the reality is players an coaches argued the ONLY reason it was reported is because It's the Leafs. ONLY in Toronto and MAYBE Montreal does that get reported

Just because it’s only a story in big markets doesn’t make it any less of a problem

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Literally the first thing McKenzie says is that he has no inside information on this and is just speculating.

If there's one thing I've learned from reading Friedman threads (since he loves to speculate) it's that any time an analyst qualifies a statement as speculation or musing, it means they must be stating something as 100% fact, and if it doesn't happen they're a human garbage fire.

 

[LeafsNation75]

If there's one thing I've learned from reading Friedman threads (since he loves to speculate) it's that any time an analyst qualifies a statement as speculation or musing, it means they must be stating something as 100% fact, and if it doesn't happen they're a human garbage fire.

No offense to Friedman because among the Sportsnet insiders he's the only creditable one working for them, Bob McKenzie never says anything until he's got all the information first. This has been the only time I can remember him saying something that was based on a feeling and nothing more.

 

[FerrisRox]

Yea lets offer sheet the richest team in the NHL. I may as well sue Google, that will end just as well.

In a salary cap league, the "richest team" means absolutely nothing. What the Leafs have in the bank account is meaningless in an over sheet scenario. It's what they would have under the cap, so I'm not sure what point you think you are making here.