Hronek, Filip

[newfy]

It is so hard to judge some of these young guys considering the ridiculous burden they have to actually make this team competitive. Guys like Marc Staal are literally warm bodies out there, and any player with skill is going to have to try and make up for the lack of talent everywhere else.

It is hard to overstate how garbage this team is in some of the most important positions, and the talented guys we do have aren't a Sidney Crosby or Connor McDavid where they can shift the course of the game by their talent alone.

Yeah, need to wait for some of the help to arrive before getting a true feel for how some of these guys are. I think on a solid team Hronek could be a top pairing guy for sure. But hes still developing (it wasnt that long ago that this would be his rookie year fo rthe wings) and he has no help. Once the wings land some more building blocks and all these guys can be knocked down into their proper place they'll all obviously look better. Like with Hronek, if the wings draft a top 5 dman this year and add Seider full time eventually Hronek is going to be playing the third most minutes, against easier competition and more rested and were all going to be sucking his dick again. Same with Larkin and Bertuzzi once Raymond and Zadina are older and the wings land a Wright/Lambert or something.

Cant judge the young guys being asked to do too much on a god awful team with no support

 

[Henkka]

Next contract expectations?

Evolving-hockey has those estimations. Like If Hronek's ELC would have ended on last year, they have estimation for that situation.

Currently their average estimate is 5-6 year contract for 5.9M.

But I think, his stats looked a bit overrated based on last year, and now, if he is having a worse season, the contract value will come a bit down.

But here are the estimates before this 2021 season:

1-year, 3.5M (RFA, no arbitration rights)
2-year, 3.7M (RFA, no arbitration rights)
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3-year, 5.1M (RFA, with arbitration rights)
4-year, 5.4M (RFA, with arbitration rights)
-------------- becomes UFA after 2014-25 season
5-year, 5.6M
6-year, 5.9M
7-year, 5.6M
8-year, 7.1M (would be 31-year old at 2029)

I've seen him as a ~5M guy.

Quite sure Yzerman goes short-term (1-2-3 years), and when Seider comes, he will eat some production from Hronek and then he could be locked down for long-term contract later and cheaper.

All latest short-term deals for young NHL defencemen have been very team-friendly, so I can't see Yzerman thinking anyhow a long-term deal. Also that Seider-factor will push on that direction.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Evolving-hockey has those estimations. Like If Hronek's ELC would have ended on last year, they have estimation for that situation.

Currently their average estimate is 5-6 year contract for 5.9M.

But I think, his stats looked a bit overrated based on last year, and now, if he is having a worse season, the contract value will come a bit down.

But here are the estimates before this 2021 season:

1-year, 3.5M (RFA, no arbitration rights)
2-year, 3.7M (RFA, no arbitration rights)
-----------------------
3-year, 5.1M (RFA, with arbitration rights)
4-year, 5.4M (RFA, with arbitration rights)
-------------- becomes UFA after 2014-25 season
5-year, 5.6M
6-year, 5.9M
7-year, 5.6M
8-year, 7.1M (would be 31-year old at 2029)

I've seen him as a ~5M guy.

Quite sure Yzerman goes short-term (1-2-3 years), and when Seider comes, he will eat some production from Hronek and then he could be locked down for long-term contract later and cheaper.

All latest short-term deals for young NHL defencemen have been very team-friendly, so I can't see Yzerman thinking anyhow a long-term deal. Also that Seider-factor will push on that direction.

I don't buy that he's going to ever be a 7 million guy. 5 million 2nd pair guy as a 26-32 year old? Sure. More than that? He'd have to put up a few consecutive 50 point seasons to be in that discussion.

I still think that Yzerman moves Hronek and one of our other core forwards in a year or two as our prospects improve and take bigger roles with the team.

 

[golffuul]

I always see Hronek as a PP specialist, maybe on our 2nd PP. But I don't think he has the awareness to be a legit top pair on a competitive team.

 

[Ezekial]

He's definitely not a PP specialist. He can blast a one timer, that's for sure, I wouldn't call him a specialist, can barely QB one.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Talk of trading Hronek seems premature & generally not a good idea. We need to add to our core, not recycle it for a lottery ticket and/or prospect(s) who may/may not ever get to the level Hronek is at now. If there's an offer we can't refuse that obviously changes the equation. Otherwise if you have an actual trade idea that makes sense, I'm all ears.

 

[raymond23]

Talk of trading Hronek seems premature & generally not a good idea. We need to add to our core, not recycle it for a lottery ticket and/or prospect(s) who may/may not ever get to the level Hronek is at now. If there's an offer we can't refuse that obviously changes the equation. Otherwise if you have an actual trade idea that makes sense, I'm all ears.

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Is there talk about trading him?

I don’t even think anyone is bashing him around here. Just concerned a bit, regardless of how unfair that is.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Is there talk about trading him?

I don’t even think anyone is bashing him around here. Just concerned a bit, regardless of how unfair that is.

Yes there's talk of trading him. Not picking on anyone in particular, but most recent post #253. It's been mentioned, sometimes in passing, in numerous other threads on our board over the last 1+ yr. Probably even more posts in this thread alone, though they all tend to seemingly run together.

Point is, we have a Top3 Dman, right age, RHS, .5ppg on a crap team etc. Unless Cirelli & Cernak are coming back for Hronek, count me out.

 

[TheMule93]

He kind of reminds me of Marek Zidlicky

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

He kind of reminds me of Marek Zidlicky

Hronek & Johansson can be our Timonen & Zidlicky.

Seider our Suter/Weber hybrid. Still want a Doughty.


Fun Fact: 1998-Jun-26 Timmo Kimonen was Traded from LA with Jan Vopat to NSH for future considerations. Ooofffff.

 

[Henkka]

Hronek & Johansson can be our Timonen & Zidlicky.

Seider our Suter/Weber hybrid. Still want a Doughty.


Fun Fact: 1998-Jun-26 Timmo Kimonen was Traded from LA with Jan Vopat to NSH for future considerations. Ooofffff.

Timonen was too small!

Then, 6-8 years after, he was the only player who was selected to both 2004 World Cup and 2006 Olympic All-Stars, where Finland lost both Finals (vs. Canada and Sweden).

 

[lilidk]

It is so hard to judge some of these young guys considering the ridiculous burden they have to actually make this team competitive. Guys like Marc Staal are literally warm bodies out there, and any player with skill is going to have to try and make up for the lack of talent everywhere else.

It is hard to overstate how garbage this team is in some of the most important positions, and the talented guys we do have aren't a Sidney Crosby or Connor McDavid where they can shift the course of the game by their talent alone.

Edmonton has plenty talent, some elite, but still

 

[datsyukfan]

Just is forced to play too many hard tough minutes. Very tough situation he has been put in.

 

[golffuul]

He's definitely not a PP specialist. He can blast a one timer, that's for sure, I wouldn't call him a specialist, can barely QB one.

I meant it in terms of an Ovechkin type "specialist" in that he actually has a RH shot that is decent. Hence the 2nd PP.

 

[MTU hockey]

I agree with others that it's hard to judge Hronek considering who he has to play with, unfortunately he's the best of a bad group so he's being forced into the #1 role even though he isn't ready and may never be.

I will say that for an offensive dman I wish he would focus more on getting his shots through traffic instead of winding up for the big slapper and putting it right into the opponents shin pads (or missing the net by several feet). that complaint really could be directed at the rest of the blue line as well but they have less talent to work with. I also noticed this year that whenever Hronek gets the puck in the offensive zone along the blueline he'll stop skating and stand completely still while waiting to make a play, wtf is up with that? it makes it so much easier to defend, walk the line a little at least

 

[Ezekial]

I meant it in terms of an Ovechkin type "specialist" in that he actually has a RH shot that is decent. Hence the 2nd PP.

I was surprised to learn that last year he had 1 goal on the PP and 8 at even strength.

 

[golffuul]

I was surprised to learn that last year he had 1 goal on the PP and 8 at even strength.

I mean....I'm never surprised by anything that involves a Blashill coached team

 

[Henkka]

I mean....I'm never surprised by anything that involves a Blashill coached team

So Blashill is coahing Hronek to shoot on the blocker?

I have a hunch that cause Hronek played at Czech Rep for early season, he got his shots easier through there. More space to operate at blue line. And hasn't adjusted back to NHL yet. Guys are faster and more aggressive.

Could also take too much pressure of the next contract.

 

[golffuul]

So Blashill is coahing Hronek to shoot on the blocker?

I have a hunch that cause Hronek played at Czech Rep for early season, he got his shots easier through there. More space to operate at blue line. And hasn't adjusted back to NHL yet. Guys are faster and more aggressive.

Could also take too much pressure of the next contract.

I think Blashill is probably saying something like, “I don’t care how you do it...I need to see more shots.” But in. What is seeming like usual Blashill-ese he is equating a lot of what he is saying with the same illogical effort that Holland did of saying, “All we need to do to win a Cup is to just make the playoffs, and then it’s anyone’s game”

 

[SoupGuru]

Hronek has the same issues that most of our team has in the o-zone, even on the PP: no cohesion. Being confident you know what you're doing because you and your teammates are on the same page.

This is what our guys are currently thinking in the o-zone: "I need to receive this pass. I've got the pass, it's controlled. Now, what are my options?"

Versus what it should be: "I've got options A, B, and C. When I get this pass, I'm going with option B."

Those are wasted moments that allow the defense to get their shin pads in the way or cover passing lanes.

 

[FabricDetails]

Oh come on, man...

 

[kliq]

I think Blashill is probably saying something like, “I don’t care how you do it...I need to see more shots.” But in. What is seeming like usual Blashill-ese he is equating a lot of what he is saying with the same illogical effort that Holland did of saying, “All we need to do to win a Cup is to just make the playoffs, and then it’s anyone’s game”

Sorry man, but this screams fan fiction.
I don’t want Blashill either as I just don’t see him as a top 31 coach in the world, but the guys not a complete moron.

 

[Henkka]

Oh come on, man...

Nonsense charts. Like everything 2-dimensional produced in Twitter.

Does not take account important Quality of competition and multiple other things.

3rd pair duties compared to 1st pair duties is where I will stop reading, always. That's a kindergarten age level of analyze.

 

[raymond23]

Nonsense charts. Like everything 2-dimensional produced in Twitter.

Does not take account important Quality of competition and multiple other things.

3rd pair duties compared to 1st pair duties is where I will stop reading, always. That's a kindergarten age level of analyze.

It does take into consideration those things.

Even then I don't think its entirely fair to Hronek... still unfortunate to see.

 

[newfy]

It does take into consideration those things.

Even then I don't think its entirely fair to Hronek... still unfortunate to see.

Looks like its just expected goals for and against to me? Am I missing where it takes quality of competition into account?