How Some Contracts are Ruining the League

[jw2]

Get rid of the cap. Teams might take these contracts in such world.

 

[Shrimper]

The point I'm trying to make is that the players play well, get a good contract, then start to suck. See the pattern? If players can get bought out easily, then they have to play well or lose the contract.

They get a good contract because teams are willing to give them it. That is on the owners, not the players.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Why more compliance buyouts?
Just don't offer horrible contracts.

This. Too much edge for big teams like Rangers, Flyers who can just get out of any trouble they make.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

A steady stream of compliance buyouts creates advantages for teams who can spend beyond the salary cap. It essentially would be league-condone cap circumvention, and would further the advantages of the wealthier teams.

This.

Just say no to Get Out of Jail Free cards, thank you.

 

[Satastic]

How about making teams suffer with the bad contract they've given the players? I'm okay with compliance buyouts every five years or so but two is too soon. It's their fault they gave them the contracts

 

[MXD]

Non stackable "free" buyout every five year ?
Deal.

 

[tarheelhockey]

the escrow thing works both ways though doesn't it?

I don't know the exact numbers but hypothetically if every team spent to the cap ceiling wouldn't it be the players giving money back?

Yes, that's exactly right.

What people don't seem to "get" is that the owners already know how much money the players will receive. It doesn't matter how it's spread out -- the players will get half of whatever the league makes in hockey-related revenue.

Meaning all 30 teams can spend to the salary floor, and the players get the same amount of money as if all 30 had spend to the ceiling. That's the whole reason for the escrow payments.


Sooooo.... it doesn't help the owners if the contracts get smaller. It makes no difference at all to the overall bottom line because the money is already spent. This topic is entirely a matter of GMs using poor judgment under pressure, and there's no reason the players should be held to blame for that.

 

[dukeofjive]

Its the gms giving out those contracts that are the true problem.

 

[Monstar Jay*]

Ignoring the woe is me tone of your post, at least get the facts straight. Mike Richards is not at all like the other three you listed. He neither went to free agency nor does he suck. He is a good second line centre, who is paid and produces as such. Heck, he'd be on the first line of your team.

Its a shame so many people can conclude that a player sucks simply by stat watching, all because the team's games are past their bedtime.

And if you're looking for someone to blame for "ruining the league," look no further than your own GM who is a big reason why cap circumventing deals are outlawed.



I just... wow. What are the chances of the first two posts in this thread containing so little knowledge? Probably high I guess, this is HF.

What a joke. So the devils were the only one who made a contract like that? No they were the only ones to be unfairly punished.

 

[Zarpan]

Its the gms giving out those contracts that are the true problem.

Yep... Was there anyone who actually thought the Clarkson deal was a good one other than Nonis?

Granted, he's been a lot worse than I expected, but his track record pointed to a 20-25 goal, 30-35 point player. That's not someone you'd throw a seven year, mega buck contract to, and everyone knew that.

 

[Hyack57]

Easy fix no compliance buyout to any player offered a No Movement or No Trade clause. That's it.

 

[hris]

It has happened a lot in the last few years where a player has a few good seasons, enters free agency, signs a lucrative deal, and then starts to suck. David Clarkson, Chris Stewart, Mike Richards, and Ville Leino are a few. If anything is ruining the league it is these players that essentially create dead cap space for teams, thus hindering their competitiveness and wasting Millions of dollars.

I don't believe it is the GMs fault entirely, because they are under pressure from owners to win. But no matter whose fault it is, it is the fans who suffer, because they have to deal with these terrible players on the ice realizing that their money is going into their pockets.

The 8 year contract limit was a step in the right direction, but the League needs to take more action. Contracts should be a lot more liquid. Maybe a compliance buyout can be used once every two years or something. Anyway that is my best idea as of now. What are your thoughts?

Maybe a compliance buyout can be used once every two years or something.

Why reward a franchise for failure? Because you are a fan of said franchise?

Nope.

 

[LolClarkson*]

It has happened a lot in the last few years where a player has a few good seasons, enters free agency, signs a lucrative deal, and then starts to suck. David Clarkson, Chris Stewart, Mike Richards, and Ville Leino are a few. If anything is ruining the league it is these players that essentially create dead cap space for teams, thus hindering their competitiveness and wasting Millions of dollars.

I don't believe it is the GMs fault entirely, because they are under pressure from owners to win. But no matter whose fault it is, it is the fans who suffer, because they have to deal with these terrible players on the ice realizing that their money is going into their pockets.

The 8 year contract limit was a step in the right direction, but the League needs to take more action. Contracts should be a lot more liquid. Maybe a compliance buyout can be used once every two years or something. Anyway that is my best idea as of now. What are your thoughts?

Clarkson didn't even have a few good seasons.

But I agree with you. If some rich owner wants to throw his money around, they should let him. I would love to see Vinny Lecavlier out of the league right now.

 

[LolClarkson*]

Why more compliance buyouts?
Just don't offer horrible contracts.

Why not ?

The buyout season is great. All the awful players who over-sold themselves get to wear the goat horns.

Its not your money and the teams on the ice are still within the cap regardless of buyouts. So it allows the rich teams to take bigger risks, but it does not allow them to buy their way to the cup.

 

[KPower]

Non guaranteed contracts like in the NFL.

NHLPA will love that idea.

 

[LolClarkson*]

Teams deserve to be punished for making bad decisions

Eventually the cap will stop going up by 7 million dollars every year and these contracts will start happening less

They are still getting punished because they still have to pay the player who gets bought out.

This is pro sports. Nothing will stop the lunatic contracts. Its been how long since the 1 year long lockout and yet, its as lunatic as ever.

 

[LolClarkson*]

If they had compliance buyouts every 2 years, there would just be more of these ridiculous contracts knowing that you either hit the jackpot or get the free pass.

Doesn't matter.

All the teams still hit the ice at the start of the season, within the cap.

 

[Crede777]

They are still getting punished because they still have to pay the player who gets bought out.

This is pro sports. Nothing will stop the lunatic contracts. Its been how long since the 1 year long lockout and yet, its as lunatic as ever.

Buyouts push contract costs further up by allowing an out which reduces risk.

Realistically, the only way for teams to control contracts league wide would be to collude and set agreed upon prices for specific free agents. Otherwise the teams are agents acting against each other to bid up prices in an attempt to both sign players and keep those players from signing with opponents.

 

[Butch 19]

Funny thread. Lou Lamoriello must be the master at ruining the league with the stupid contracts he gave out to over age and over the hill players like Mogilny and Malakhov and the whole Kovalchuk fiasco.

this thread needs more Bobby Holik.

 

[Spade]

They are still getting punished because they still have to pay the player who gets bought out.

This is pro sports. Nothing will stop the lunatic contracts. Its been how long since the 1 year long lockout and yet, its as lunatic as ever.

That's only a punishment for teams where the bottom line is still affected from losing a few million a season on an asset that isn't doing anything for them.

For a team like Philadelphia or Toronto, that will be chump change and won't deter a single thing. For a team like Ottawa, that might be enough of a handcuff that they have to live with a bad contract because the other option is using money they don't have to pay a player they don't have.

At least with the current setup all teams get punished relatively equally against the cap, which helps deter teams like the Habs from simply throwing their money around like it's confetti.

They actually have to be smart about using their money, rather than getting a get out of jail free card every 2/5/whatever years simply because a couple of players are considered overpaid. Having money isn't a skill. Effectively managing the salaries of up to 30 different people is. Let's reward the skilled guys up in management, rather than the rich guys up in their owner's booths, for being good at what they do.

 

[The Macho King]

I love how people think the long contracts was the cause of the lockout, and not bigger issues like a hard salary cap and how to distribute HRR.

 

[Butch 19]

Its the gms giving out those contracts that are the true problem.

and who says there's a real problem anyway? the OP?

There's no problem even close to what existed before lockout III. In fact, there is no problem.

 

[weastern bias]

Why bother?

We're gonna have a lockout over every new CBA, so everyone will get extra CBOs every eight years or so

 

[magic school bus]

2 years is too little, but I wouldn't be against recuperating buyouts every 5 years or so.

No way. If you want to sign all the top free agents and reap the benefits of doing so, you should have to accept the consequences when they don't work out.

 

[MilanKraft*]

No guarantee contracts....like nfl.

Cut...see yeah...don't get a dollar..