Toggle sidebar

Proposal: How much would the Caps have to give up to get McDavid?

GOilers88

#DustersWinCups
Dec 24, 2016
14,418
21,242
I always wonder why these threads pop up so frequently. They're the most rhetorical questions you could ever ask.

It honestly doesn't matter if you put together the most lopsided, amazing package the hockey world has ever seen, teams don't trade their young, cost controlled, franchise players.

And teams don't gut their entire organization in the hopes of landing one of the above players and then having nothing around them.

These proposals all fail logically before they're even posted. And people can say whatever they want about McD not wanting to play in Edmonton. If he didn't want to be there long term I see no reason why he would have signed a max term contract. Why wouldn't he have taken a five year deal a la Matthews if he truly wanted out?

Edit: No, I didn't just say AM wants out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ivanlwan and Ciao

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
nbwingsfan said:
They very well could be. Which would have nothing to do with MacKinnon being more valuable than McDavid. It has to do with Sakic being a much, much better GM than Chiarelli
Click to expand...
Ohh okay so McDavid is worth more then Mackinnon and Maker but the oilers aren't better? Hmm maybe thats a skewed thought process. 1 player isn’t worth 4 superstars. Depth wins hockey games not individuals. The Avalanche would be no better with McDavid and without Mackinnon and they’d be a lot worse if they also lost all their valuable players which the unintelligent oilers fan base seems to believe he is worth all of that.

Tampa bay=best team in nhl

Fan proposes
Tampa- Kucherov 50% retained, Hedman 50% retained, Point and Vais

Edmonton- McDavid

Oilers fans- McDavid is the most valuable player in nhl and is worth more then that crap package.

I even heard an oilers fan say they wouldn’t trade McDavid for the Minnesota wild roster. McDavid is the most overrated figure in sports history he can’t win games by himself DEPTH WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS not individuals. That’s why my leafs and the oilers are out of the playoffs.
 

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
GOilers88 said:
I always wonder why these threads pop up so frequently. They're the most rhetorical questions you could ever ask.

It honestly doesn't matter if you put together the most lopsided, amazing package the hockey world has ever seen, teams don't trade their young, cost controlled, franchise players.

And teams don't gut their entire organization in the hopes of landing one of the above players and then having nothing around them.

These proposals all fail logically before they're even posted. And people can say whatever they want about McD not wanting to play in Edmonton. If he didn't want to be there long term I see no reason why he would have signed a max term contract. Why wouldn't he have taken a five year deal a la Matthews if he truly wanted out?

Edit: No, I didn't just say AM wants out.
Click to expand...
So you’re saying if the oilers had the opportunity to trade McDavid for a deal that’d make the oilers the best team in the nhl by a wide margin which is the case in most proposals you’re saying the oilers decline? That’s nonsense.
 

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
TFHockey said:
Well he signed for the longest possible term. Other players like Matthews did not. So that suggests he likes playing here. Sorry to dash your rather obvious hopes.
Click to expand...
If the oilers keep losing he’s not going to stay I can promise that. Not that the leafs are in a better position( well they are because atleast they have forward depth and an elite goalie ).

I’ll say this though the oilers do have a solid dcore.
 
HOPE

HOPE

Goal Caufield!
Jun 30, 2011
7,336
5,229
Montreal
The 6ix said:
Might be time for a little fresh air here.

Last time it was Matthews. Now it's McDavid. Neither are realistically going anywhere -- especially McDavid.

There's no better player in the league and nothing of equal or better value to trade for McDavid. Multiple pieces don't make the whole when you're discussing the World's best player.

Maybe the first three responses to your proposal -- no, no and no -- could have caught your attention but it seems you're not catching the drift.

Maybe time to give it a rest.
Click to expand...


as for now Matthews untouchable, but i wouldn't count him exploring UFA to play in a US market in 4 years. Toronto might wanna sit with him year 3 and see whats going on, because i don't see Toronto missing the playoffs and you don't want him to pull a Tavares and leave for nothing.
 

GOilers88

#DustersWinCups
Dec 24, 2016
14,418
21,242
Unbiased Fan said:
So you’re saying if the oilers had the opportunity to trade McDavid for a deal that’d make the oilers the best team in the nhl by a wide margin which is the case in most proposals you’re saying the oilers decline? That’s nonsense.
Click to expand...
I'm saying it's a moot point because no team would give up the sheer number of assets required to make Edmonton pull the trigger.

Trades involve two parties, not just one. The only way players of this calibre get traded is if they demand a trade, which automatically drops the strength of the return you're going to get.
 
Qward

Qward

Because! That's why!
Jul 23, 2010
18,944
5,911
Behind you, look out
The 6ix said:
Gretzky was sold.

The big piece coming back was the $15-million that went straight into the crooked owner's pocket.

The other stuff was just filler for the sake of appearances.
Click to expand...

I know you are trying to make a point, but I think it is important to point out that Jimmy Carson was a 50 goal scorer and the second youngest player (after Gretzky) to score 100 goals.

Martin Gelinas also went on to play in over 1200 NHL games.

Add to that LA also gave up three first round picks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ciao

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
GOilers88 said:
I'm saying it's a moot point because no team would give up the sheer number of assets required to make Edmonton pull the trigger.

Trades involve two parties, not just one. The only way players of this calibre get traded is if they demand a trade, which automatically drops the strength of the return you're going to get.
Click to expand...
Really I was unaware that Wayne Gretzky asked for a trade. Do you have a source?
 

GOilers88

#DustersWinCups
Dec 24, 2016
14,418
21,242
Unbiased Fan said:
Really I was unaware that Wayne Gretzky asked for a trade. Do you have a source?
Click to expand...
If you honestly think Gretzky being sold for cash to cover some shady debts owed by a shady owner is the same as an organization willingly trading the face of the NHL I really don't know what to tell you.

And if you think that trade made the Oilers better than they were with Gretzky I'm even more baffled.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: ivanlwan, Ciao and spaghtti
TFHockey

TFHockey

The CEO of 7-8-0
May 16, 2014
7,061
4,456
Edmonton
Donuts said:
Oilers should do the right thing and trade mcdavid. Dont waste his prime years making him carry a bad team year after year. Fans deserve to see a generational player reach his potential and witness his great achievements with a better team. Oilers had many chance to provide good team for mcdavid, and it didnt happen.



Poster above suggested a trade with nyr for conversation purposes.

Oilers should think about the offers like lafreniere + kakko + k. miller ++

Actually oilers would be more balance and bit better with the players theyll be getting in the Long run from offers like that

Also laf- drai - kakko would be great to watch while nyr will have mcdavid- zib down the middle with wingers like panarin, chytil, buch,
Click to expand...

It is asinine statements like this that cause Oiler fans to get very, very angry, and can derail threads into pointless name calling and accusations.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ivanlwan and Ciao

GOilers88

#DustersWinCups
Dec 24, 2016
14,418
21,242
Unbiased Fan said:
Ohh okay so McDavid is worth more then Mackinnon and Maker but the oilers aren't better? Hmm maybe thats a skewed thought process. 1 player isn’t worth 4 superstars. Depth wins hockey games not individuals. The Avalanche would be no better with McDavid and without Mackinnon and they’d be a lot worse if they also lost all their valuable players which the unintelligent oilers fan base seems to believe he is worth all of that.

Tampa bay=best team in nhl

Fan proposes
Tampa- Kucherov 50% retained, Hedman 50% retained, Point and Vais

Edmonton- McDavid

Oilers fans- McDavid is the most valuable player in nhl and is worth more then that crap package.

I even heard an oilers fan say they wouldn’t trade McDavid for the Minnesota wild roster. McDavid is the most overrated figure in sports history he can’t win games by himself DEPTH WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS not individuals. That’s why my leafs and the oilers are out of the playoffs.
Click to expand...
I'd love to see who called Kucherov + Hedman + Point + Vasi a crap package.

I think you're making shit up as you go because you're pissed off that fans of the Oilers don't want to see their team trade away one of the best players of his generation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ivanlwan and Darkwinter

nbwingsfan

Registered User
Dec 13, 2009
21,349
15,272
Unbiased Fan said:
Ohh okay so McDavid is worth more then Mackinnon and Maker but the oilers aren't better? Hmm maybe thats a skewed thought process. 1 player isn’t worth 4 superstars. Depth wins hockey games not individuals. The Avalanche would be no better with McDavid and without Mackinnon and they’d be a lot worse if they also lost all their valuable players which the unintelligent oilers fan base seems to believe he is worth all of that.

Tampa bay=best team in nhl

Fan proposes
Tampa- Kucherov 50% retained, Hedman 50% retained, Point and Vais

Edmonton- McDavid

Oilers fans- McDavid is the most valuable player in nhl and is worth more then that crap package.

I even heard an oilers fan say they wouldn’t trade McDavid for the Minnesota wild roster. McDavid is the most overrated figure in sports history he can’t win games by himself DEPTH WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS not individuals. That’s why my leafs and the oilers are out of the playoffs.
Click to expand...

1. Chill

2. You're right, McDavid is not worth 4 superstars

3. He is still the single most valuable asset in the NHL and that's not really debatable
 
  • Like
Reactions: ivanlwan and Ciao

nbwingsfan

Registered User
Dec 13, 2009
21,349
15,272
Unbiased Fan said:
If the oilers keep losing he’s not going to stay I can promise that. Not that the leafs are in a better position( well they are because atleast they have forward depth and an elite goalie ).

I’ll say this though the oilers do have a solid dcore.
Click to expand...

So Matthews will be leaving soon if the Leafs keep failing?
 

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
GOilers88 said:
If you honestly think Gretzky being sold for cash to cover some shady debts owed by a shady owner is the same as an organization willingly trading the face of the NHL I really don't know what to tell you.

And if you think that trade made the Oilers better than they were with Gretzky I'm even more baffled.
Click to expand...
Im not talking about Crosby I’m talking about McDavid....
 

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
GOilers88 said:
I'd love to see who called Kucherov + Hedman + Point + Vasi a crap package.

I think you're making shit up as you go because you're pissed off that fans of the Oilers don't want to see their team trade away one of the best players of his generation.
Click to expand...
I’m not a capitals fan I just find it sad the ignorance an entire fan base has.
 
Last edited:

Unbiased Fan

Registered User
May 24, 2019
3,641
1,617
nbwingsfan said:
1. Chill

2. You're right, McDavid is not worth 4 superstars

3. He is still the single most valuable asset in the NHL and that's not really debatable
Click to expand...
It is tho because a lot of other players bring more value for their contract especially Mackinnon you can almost fit Mackinnon, Slavin and Paryanko for the price of McDavid.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Ad

Latest posts

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom