How many pieces away are we?
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Some of these posts in this thread are a complete joke. Burke destroyed this team??? He made bad moves and good moves. Ultimately the good outweighs the bad. His biggest mistake was taking too long to fire Wilson. This is absolutely Burke's team. And it's a good team
hotpaws
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The only stat I keep seeing is mins played and even then his supporters keep saying he plays better the less mins he plays .
hotpaws
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Why don't you take a look at the roster he left behind and compare it to the one we have now .
Burke's team was soft and without Reims wouldn't have had a goalie .
Burke destroyed?
He made some mistakes for sure, but his handprint is on this team. It will now be competitive for a decade. No,you say? Kadri,Gardiner,Kessel,Reimer,Reilly,JVR,Franson will all be around(in the NHL) a long time and are quality players. Our defense is completely rebuilt but we can't fit a star center under the cap, making us considered a non contender along with a suspect defense built around Phaneuff.
We need a star center(impossible,no cap room) and a number 2 vet dman. Burke made this team competitive in 5 years, he just used a strange model. Destroyed isn't true, he simply was never offered a Crosby or a Pronger. Nonnis must now do the seemingly impossible, upgrade 2 very important spots with no money $$$$$.
He made some mistakes for sure, but his handprint is on this team. It will now be competitive for a decade. No,you say? Kadri,Gardiner,Kessel,Reimer,Reilly,JVR,Franson will all be around(in the NHL) a long time and are quality players. Our defense is completely rebuilt but we can't fit a star center under the cap, making us considered a non contender along with a suspect defense built around Phaneuff.
We need a star center(impossible,no cap room) and a number 2 vet dman. Burke made this team competitive in 5 years, he just used a strange model. Destroyed isn't true, he simply was never offered a Crosby or a Pronger. Nonnis must now do the seemingly impossible, upgrade 2 very important spots with no money $$$$$.
I see the quality in Kadri to become our top line center. I don't know why we are looking for one out side! Just promote Kadri and demote Bozak it's all perfect. We just have to trade Gunnarson to clear the cap space and bring in the top line D man.
We can talk to MTL for Galchenyuk or Eller and give them what they need, 2nd line D Gunnarson/Gardiner (if they don't want Gunnarson) and a 1st pick.
We can talk to MTL for Galchenyuk or Eller and give them what they need, 2nd line D Gunnarson/Gardiner (if they don't want Gunnarson) and a 1st pick.
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It wasn't a strange model. For the most part it was called "throwing feces at a wall and seeing what sticks". Praising him for his mediocre results with the financial resources he had at his disposal seems a little excessive. If he was half the GM some around these parts believe him to be, he would have never been fired in the first place.
Rielly Good
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first u say kadri should be # 1 C, than u say we should talk to habs for gally?
Might not help right now,but this team should do anything it takes to draft Conner McDavid in 2015.
InterceptSchenn
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Considering that we just got an up-close look at a real contender, it would seem that we're still quite far away. We're missing pieces but one of those might be the coach. The team looks lost out there, Carlyle has yet to show any kind of coherent strategy, nor has he gotten consistent effort out of his players. It has in fact been long enough to stop making excuses for him.
Short memory,hasn't Carlyle coached less than a full season with this team?Seems about 75 games to me.
Exactly 82 games now if you include the playoffs. To be fair the first 18 games at the end of the first season Carlyle said he'd be using to evaluate players and apparently did little or no actual coaching. I'm not sure if that's a good excuse or just really stupid not to use that time, I suppose that would depend on who you ask.
Yet here we sit a couple of pieces away from contending (your words) while still being the youngest team, and Burke is disgraceful.
Gimme a break...only because of what Nonis has brought in the short time he was here...the team is still far away..two pieces yeah..a Top C and and a Top D.....no problem. Nonis beefed up the team with character guys like Bolland and Clarkson...moved out a lot of Burkes trash...and added a stud goalie and STILL the team is 2 pieces away.....(very important pieces)...You Burke guys are quite amusing. I would hazard to say that when this team is a serious Cup contender, Burke's imprint will be as big as JFJ's was when Burke got his a$$ canned.
My major question will be why aren't we producing stars? When we have players potentially to become a star? Just because of the lack of trust in their ability. Why aren't we giving a chance to Kadri and make him a trading chip? Why aren't we playing Gardiner at 1st line D?
It's just so ******* frustrating to see others having good players to trade and when comes to Toronto no one is that important to anyone.?!!
It's just so ******* frustrating to see others having good players to trade and when comes to Toronto no one is that important to anyone.?!!
ShaneFalco
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in my mind, were contenders already. If it wasnt for horrendous goaltending in the last game against Boston we couldve been there in the final instead of them. I know all the Reimer backers will be all over me but HE lost that game for them single handlily. Did he win a few games for us? yes, but thats no good if u put on a performance like he did in the last 12 mins of a game 7. And it was a huge reason they went after Bernier. Reimers problem is he can look spectactular 1 minute and atrocious the next. Theres no consistancy within the game. Is he a good goalie? yes but hes got to figure out that part of his game amongst other big flaws in his game.
That being said, this year were deeper upfront with the additions of Clarkson,Bolland and Raymond and better in net because of Bernier. Nonis addressed some serious issues.
That being said, this year were deeper upfront with the additions of Clarkson,Bolland and Raymond and better in net because of Bernier. Nonis addressed some serious issues.
One could argue, he was offered a Seguin and Hamilton,if he had only shown a bit more patience,no?
As I pointed out in another thread, huge difference between the teams when it's 5/5 play.
