How does the D Corps get fixed?

[Fro]

any deal for a Dman (and the small chance it is possible) Jack or Tyutin have to go the other way...

a) cap reasons
b) future cap reasons
c) both look SLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Good for Joey - but it's a team game. How is the team doing while he's scoring goals?

Successful teams score more goals than they allow. I don't care if you score 5 a game with 6 forwards, you're going to lose most nights. it's not an offense vs defense game, it's a team game.

He's being sarcastic. Of course, he's also using strawmen. I will say this -- Sarcastic Strawmen is NOT a good name for a band.

Would Double-Shift Lasse be forced to become Double-Shift Joey?

No, he would not.

 

[Fro]

I will say this -- Sarcastic Strawmen is NOT a good name for a band.
.

are you sure??? seems pretty strong to me...its not like you know anything about music or such...

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Step 1: Sign Joey to that 8 yr $90 mill contract

Step 2: Double shift Joey, We can have BOTH that elite #1 center and elite #1 D man we've never had, BEFORE NOW. 6 foot 3 players with this skill and length of stride don't grow on trees or in labs. He shuts down Joe Thornton and other top centers night in and night out as is. Bench Foligno, have Johansen and Saad go out alone for now to give the team a spark, to throw off the other teams, and to match up with Savard and Johnson to shelter them. Give a Murray-Tyutin pair 12-13 minutes a game to keep the glass-man healthy and the old man fresh. Whenever we can get the Johnson-Savard pairing off the ice and RyJo's ready to go we throw our top pair of Golobeuf-Johansen out there to win the games for us. Preferably about 30 min a game. The per 60 numbers would be outstanding. Joey might hit 50 and 50, but would easily win the ART ROSS if this were to happen.

Step 3: Profit, I don't know what could be considered a more successful season than OUR SECOND SON taking a step above OUR FIRST SON and winning an Art Ross instead of the Richard. When OUR THIRD SON is healthy and allowed to play on a line with OUR SECOND and surrogate MOTHER SAAD, and taught "the way", and wins the Selke, it will then be time for THY PROPHECY to be fulfilled.

Its all written down in the Quebec Manuscript foretold by the one and only Doug MacLean...

It all "ends" with a Nash-Johansen-Carter line leading the Quebec Red Jackets to the Stanley Cup.

You forgot to trade Wennberg.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Waive Prout & Connauton or trade for "future considerations."

Call up Paliotta and whoever the heck else you want.

Make up random pairings.

The End.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Step 1: Sign Joey to that 8 yr $90 mill contract

Step 2: Double shift Joey, We can have BOTH that elite #1 center and elite #1 D man we've never had, BEFORE NOW. 6 foot 3 players with this skill and length of stride don't grow on trees or in labs. He shuts down Joe Thornton and other top centers night in and night out as is. Bench Foligno, have Johansen and Saad go out alone for now to give the team a spark, to throw off the other teams, and to match up with Savard and Johnson to shelter them. Give a Murray-Tyutin pair 12-13 minutes a game to keep the glass-man healthy and the old man fresh. Whenever we can get the Johnson-Savard pairing off the ice and RyJo's ready to go we throw our top pair of Golobeuf-Johansen out there to win the games for us. Preferably about 30 min a game. The per 60 numbers would be outstanding. Joey might hit 50 and 50, but would easily win the ART ROSS if this were to happen.

Step 3: Profit, I don't know what could be considered a more successful season than OUR SECOND SON taking a step above OUR FIRST SON and winning an Art Ross instead of the Richard. When OUR THIRD SON is healthy and allowed to play on a line with OUR SECOND and surrogate MOTHER SAAD, and taught "the way", and wins the Selke, it will then be time for THY PROPHECY to be fulfilled.

Its all written down in the Quebec Manuscript foretold by the one and only Doug MacLean...

It all "ends" with a Nash-Johansen-Carter line leading the Quebec Red Jackets to the Stanley Cup.

I remember my first time drinking during the early morning too.

 

[pl4tinum]

LOL. Nobody wants Fedor Tyutin. Sorry.

This team just needs to start playing like their identity used to be. Hard nosed, afraid that they're going to lose, balls to the wall, grind it out, defense defense defense.

They sign a couple of skill players and think they're a finesse team.

 

[EDM]

Could one of the problems be the rather cavalier attitude that Jarmo seems to have toward the third and fourth lines? He has been letting go of guys who played very important roles on those lines, DMac, Letestu, Comeau, Troppe, Anisimov (when he was 3rd line center). Indeed, it is beyond bizarre that Boll is the one guy Jarmo kept on board. Those guys he cast away were all guys who understood the importance of good defense from the forwards.

Same with the centers. At one time we had depth with DMaC, Letestu and Anisimov. They were all good defensive centers. Now we have Wennberg, Karlsson and Campbell. Kind of a big drop off there. In Jarmo's thirst for skill he overlooked the need to maintain forwards who know how important defense can be. So TR is definitely dealing with a different group of forwards than he had in the past.

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Could one of the problems be the rather cavalier attitude that Jarmo seems to have toward the third and fourth lines? He has been letting go of guys who played very important roles on those lines, DMac, Letestu, Comeau, Troppe, Anisimov (when he was 3rd line center). Indeed, it is beyond bizarre that Boll is the one guy Jarmo kept on board. Those guys he cast away were all guys who understood the importance of good defense from the forwards.

If your fiancee ran off with a better option for them, breaking your engagement in the process who would you hold at blame? Jarmo Kekäläinen?

Remember: the beginning of all wisdom is acknowledgement of facts...

Out of those names only Anisimov and Tropp can be said to have been let go. Now we add those two or even Dano and remove Saad. Then the problem (excuse) would be that this team doesn't have top quality on the wings...

 

[EDM]

??????

 

[We Want Ten]

Could one of the problems be the rather cavalier attitude that Jarmo seems to have toward the third and fourth lines? He has been letting go of guys who played very important roles on those lines, DMac, Letestu, Comeau, Troppe, Anisimov (when he was 3rd line center). Indeed, it is beyond bizarre that Boll is the one guy Jarmo kept on board. Those guys he cast away were all guys who understood the importance of good defense from the forwards.

Same with the centers. At one time we had depth with DMaC, Letestu and Anisimov. They were all good defensive centers. Now we have Wennberg, Karlsson and Campbell. Kind of a big drop off there. In Jarmo's thirst for skill he overlooked the need to maintain forwards who know how important defense can be. So TR is definitely dealing with a different group of forwards than he had in the past.

Sure. Look at our 4th line now compared to 2 years ago.

 

[Theo Von]

TFP -

https://twitter.com/TFP/status/656140399598305280

Reporting that Carl Gunnarsson is being shopped by the Blues. Could be had for cheap. Not sure if we'd be interested or not. Surely he'd be an upgrade..

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

??????

Exactly. We cannot remove alphabet from the play nor disregard UFA movement when very good contracts are given to those individuals who care about more about them, in the end.

 

[EspenK]

If your fiancee ran off with a better option for them, breaking your engagement in the process who would you hold at blame? Jarmo Kekäläinen?

Remember: the beginning of all wisdom is acknowledgement of facts...

Out of those names only Anisimov and Tropp can be said to have been let go. Now we add those two or even Dano and remove Saad. Then the problem (excuse) would be that this team doesn't have top quality on the wings...

??????

Exactly. We cannot remove alphabet from the play nor disregard UFA movement when very good contracts are given to those individuals who care about more about them, in the end.

Well that clears that up.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

TFP -

https://twitter.com/TFP/status/656140399598305280

Reporting that Carl Gunnarsson is being shopped by the Blues. Could be had for cheap. Not sure if we'd be interested or not. Surely he'd be an upgrade..

Seemed to work out last year when we took Leopold from them

 

[Columbus Mike]

Cody Goloubef is +1 on this terrible team. Play him 60 minutes a night.

Other than that, hope that the goaltending gets better.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Cody Goloubef is +1 on this terrible team. Play him 60 minutes a night.

Other than that, hope that the goaltending gets better.

Cody is being smart with the biscuit and not handing it to the other team. He is also not paired with Prout

 

[blahblah]

LOL. Nobody wants Fedor Tyutin. Sorry.

I know you are sorry. You are also wrong.

 

[major major]

Could one of the problems be the rather cavalier attitude that Jarmo seems to have toward the third and fourth lines? He has been letting go of guys who played very important roles on those lines, DMac, Letestu, Comeau, Troppe, Anisimov (when he was 3rd line center). Indeed, it is beyond bizarre that Boll is the one guy Jarmo kept on board. Those guys he cast away were all guys who understood the importance of good defense from the forwards.

Same with the centers. At one time we had depth with DMaC, Letestu and Anisimov. They were all good defensive centers. Now we have Wennberg, Karlsson and Campbell. Kind of a big drop off there. In Jarmo's thirst for skill he overlooked the need to maintain forwards who know how important defense can be. So TR is definitely dealing with a different group of forwards than he had in the past.

This is spot on, IMO. The bottom six went from among the league's best to among the league's worst. Losing DMac, Letestu, Comeau is a travesty.

The Anisimov trade I totally understand, because we couldn't afford him as our third line C. But just to illustrate our decline, here's Scott Cullen's writeup on Anisimov vs our current third line C William Karlsson:

"William Karlsson – The Blue Jackets centre was locked in his own end at Chicago Saturday night, managing one shot attempt for, with 17 against (5.6 SAT%) at even strength. He had no shot attempts for and nine against while matched head-to-head against Chicago’s Artem Anisimov."

If your fiancee ran off with a better option for them, breaking your engagement in the process who would you hold at blame? Jarmo Kekäläinen?

Remember: the beginning of all wisdom is acknowledgement of facts...

Out of those names only Anisimov and Tropp can be said to have been let go. Now we add those two or even Dano and remove Saad. Then the problem (excuse) would be that this team doesn't have top quality on the wings...

You're just confusing matters. There's no "fiancee" or other moral commitment to sign anywhere. Jarmo outbid other GM's for Campbell and Boll, and he was outbid for the better players Letestu, Mackenzie, and Comeau. Those players walked because Jarmo valued them less than others did, and IMO less than he should have.

 

[major major]

As for fixing our actual D, you know, the topic of this thread, "do nothing" is unacceptable. We would be flushing our season down the toilet, and that is completely unacceptable. This team has enough talent to win, it just needs to be re-arranged. If the team waits, we are wasting the primes of some of our best players, and we're discouraging players from joining our team (and discouraging fans from having anything to do with the Jackets).

Trades are harder to pull off now, but not impossible. In the summer you have to be able to either make the other team better or be in a position to take on salary to help a team in cap hell. Now all the teams have set rosters and fit under the cap, but there's still the possibility to try to make both teams better. Trades do occasionally happen in the season. Teams can find themselves with unexpected depth or holes in other parts of their lineup. Case in point, Carl Gunnarson is available because of the emergence of Parayko and Edmundson, and he is the exact kind of stabilizing player we need.

Oh, and fire Jarmo and fire Richards.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

What would it take to get Gunnarsson?

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

You're just confusing matters. There's no "fiancee" or other moral commitment to sign anywhere. Jarmo outbid other GM's for Campbell and Boll, and he was outbid for the better players Letestu, Mackenzie, and Comeau. Those players walked because Jarmo valued them less than others did, and IMO less than he should have.

There is one strong moral commitment which very often leads the unrestricted free agent into taking the best offer for themselves. Looking after yourself. There are very strong reasons for MacKenzie (term, tax, location, aged player) and Letestu (location, tax?) to choose whatever they chose over what Columbus offered.

From neutral viewpoint I don't know how any could take Columbus's offer over without another negotation round - with more money in the pile offered. First-line UFA Foligno (future team captain by the way) got this privilege of first treatment during a breakthrough season but I can see why it shouldn't go with projected fourth liners to seek secure with high bids when Boll's contract for example hit when the mammoths started to disappear.

28 other teams also didn't outbid the Panthers or the Oilers when it came to MacKenzie or Letestu - both of them joining bottom dwellers at the time. Somehow the league failed to recognize these veteran players contribution.

But they weren't let go. Only outbid, outmustered. Which must happen quite often with fourth liners who seek security and the highest offer. I can only imagine the outcry if someone higher than the fourth line was lost to UFA... Gaborik... The wing theory it shall be.

So that in mind I don't see any gameplay-related weakness in the trio of Calvert-Campbell-Clarkson for example. Although Clarkson has also proven out to be quite valuable if that is how he performs while coming back from his latest injury. Mobile battering ram. There isn't a man in this team to hold David Clarkson off the scoring lines. It's a matter of time and it shall pour upon the enemies of Columbus.

 

[DarkandStormy]

a) cap reasons
b) future cap reasons

a) Thanks, Jarmo (and Howson on the Tyutin deal).
b) Thanks, Jarmo.

 

[allan5oh]

Jets fan here just wondering how serious the interest is in Buff. Even though our cap situation right now is fairly good (2nd lowest in the league) players are getting huge raises in the summer. I'm not sure if there's enough room to keep Buff. Combine that with a lot of talent on the right side (Trouba and Myers), it seems odd to keep him. None of the three RHD seem to want to play the left side.



Not a bad GWG!

We're not interested in picking up any excess cap hit past this season. I could see us going after defense youth. We have lots of forwards, but I could see us going after a 4th line C. I don't see us going after anything roster outside of that. Picks are always nice. I don't see us doing anything with goalies.

As for price, who knows? Yandle got quite the haul, but he had two years left. Ignoring contract status, I'm sure Buff is the more valuable player. I'm sure something conditional on Buff re-signing would be a good idea. I'm not sure if you guys have any top LHD prospects you'd like to part with. I could certainly see us retaining lots of cap hit, up to 50% if needed. But again only for this season.

What buff offers:

- Monster physical play
- Top offensive dman
- Big booming shot
- Some amount of levity
- Will back up his team mates no matter what, the first thing he will tell teammates is they can do whatever they want and he will back them up
- Big time prankster
- One of the best breakout/breakaway passers in the business
- Can be a gamebreaker near the end of a game (see YT vid)

Buff drawbacks:

- Sometimes moves forwards in attempt to pick the puck instead of moving backwards. This can drive coaches nuts
- Needs to be with a good defensive top 4 LHD. If you don't have one, this is probably a bad idea
- From time to time he gets on fire, then takes a stupid penalty
- Some questions of conditioning, but he seems to be doing well the past few years
- Penalties. Lots of them. Some reputation, some cause guys literally bounce of him. Lots of dumb stick penalties too.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Either Tyutin or Johnson would have to be going back in a Byfuglien deal. Certainly interested, but not sure if we'd be willing to part ways with what it would take to get him.