How did Brayden Point fall to the 3rd round in the 2014 draft?

[puckpilot]

Hindsight is 20/20.

Some players can overcome their initial flaws. Others can't. The less confident a scout is that a player can overcome their flaws, the lower on their list that player gets placed.

With smaller players, doubts get magnified, if they don't fulfill their potential. At least with players with size, there's the possibility they can be molded into 3rd or 4th line grinders or bottom pairing defensmen. Obviously that's an old way of thinking, but things are changing at least a little.

 

[seadawg]

I really like what I've seen from Point, in both the regular season and these playoffs, but Barzal is really on an entirely different level, at least offensively. The rookie season Barzal just had was one of the best over the last decade, if not more. To me, Barzal must be considered one of the most offensively-gifted players in the NHL, possibly capable of winning a scoring title at some point in his career.

I don't want to take anything away from Point, whose offensive game also has a high ceiling, but I don't really think the two players are all that comparable.

 

[Zezel22]

It makes sense actually. When you compare him to a guy like Connor Chatham, Chatham is bigger.

 

[BLNY]

If he were up for the draft this year, or last, he's likely a first rounder. There's been a real shift since he was drafted.

He's one of the biggest steals of the last 5 years.

 

[Dominance]

I have it like this for now:

Matthews/Barkov
Barzal
Point/Eichel
Draisaitl

McDavid
MacKinnon
Matthews/Barkov
Barzal
Point/Eichel/Pastrnak
Draisaitl/Marner

Is how I see it.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

McDavid
MacKinnon
Matthews/Barkov
Barzal
Point/Eichel/Pastrnak
Draisaitl/Marner

Is how I see it.

Drop MacKinnon Pastrnak and Marner a tier, then put Laine on the tier with Drai and Pasta. That’s what I have.

 

[Dominance]

Drop MacKinnon Pastrnak and Marner a tier, then put Laine on the tier with Drai and Pasta. That’s what I have.

Lol how did I forget Laine. Whoops.

 

[seadawg]

I thought we were only comparing Centers. That's why Laine, Pastrnak, and Marner haven't been discussed earlier.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yzerman pretty much drafted himself with that pick. Point is very similar to what Yzerman was. Great offensive player who's defensively aware as has been showed in these playoffs.

Did he also personally draft Jonathan McLeod 22 spots before Point?

 

[Reddawg]

He's maybe 5'11" with skates on lol. The NHL website has him at 5'10" 166lbs. He's small.

NHL Combine data had him at 5'9" and 160. I'm sure it contributed.

 

[Critical13]

Drop MacKinnon Pastrnak and Marner a tier, then put Laine on the tier with Drai and Pasta. That’s what I have.

You think Point is two tier above Marner?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

You think Point is two tier above Marner?

Yeah, I love Mitch but a lot of his points are PP and his underlying numbers aren’t great.

 

[Jumptheshark]

you can single 3 or 4 players from EVERY draft and ask that question

you can also single out 4 or 5 players taken in the first round and ask WTF

 

[HugginThePost]

His skating wasn’t great in his draft year. He spent a lot of time and effort improving on it.

What we are seeing is the result of that hard work.

 

[Critical13]

Yeah, I love Mitch but a lot of his points are PP and his underlying numbers aren’t great.

Interesting.

 

[Voight]

Similar to how Kuch was a 2nd round pick. Some players either develop late or work their rear ends off to make it.

Then you have lottery picks like Nikita Filatov who had all the talent in the world but didn't care much.

 

[DKH]

Is Point vs Barzal a dicussion? Or is Mat Barzal superior and always will be?

I'd take Point - he has some Bergeron in him

We know he comes up big when it counts

Who knows about Barzal

He could be the forward version of Ron Hainsey if he stays where he is

 

[bsu]

Point is so damn good.

 

[FinnLightning26]

Did he also personally draft Jonathan McLeod 22 spots before Point?

What does that have to do with Yzerman and Point being similar players? My post was about that.

 

[KevinRedkey]

It's usually more to do with strength than size. They kind of go hand in hand, but when scouts dont think you'll fill out, you won't go very high in the NHL draft. That, and I assume they didnt think his skillset would translate to the NHL game.

But lets be honest here... barely anyone knew who Brayden Point was back then, so unless you're on one the few that actually watched him in Juniors... we are all just speculating anyways.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think if he was on the Portland Winterhawks, Brandon Wheat Kings or Kelowna Rockets he'd probably have been a top ten pick. Knew he was going to be a steal long before Tampa picked him.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i think the real question is how did ondrej palat fall to fourth last pick of the draft?

 

[DFC]

It's usually more to do with strength than size. They kind of go hand in hand, but when scouts dont think you'll fill out, you won't go very high in the NHL draft. That, and I assume they didnt think his skillset would translate to the NHL game.

But lets be honest here... barely anyone knew who Brayden Point was back then, so unless you're on one the few that actually watched him in Juniors... we are all just speculating anyways.

I remember that draft, and a lot of TB HF posters were going nuts that we should draft Point. I had no idea who he was. Then we traded up one spot and drafted him. We have two or three regular posters who closely follow junior hockey, and they believed we'd hit a homerun with him.

I think this is a case of Yzerman being ahead of the curve, which has been the biggest reason for his success as a GM. He abandoned a lot of old ideas about smaller players, not to mention Russian players, and sometimes players who LOOKED like their stats might be inflated by linemates, and he found a lot of gems in the later rounds.

 

[DFC]

i think the real question is how did ondrej palat fall to fourth last pick of the draft?

If I remember correctly, people thought he was a product of Sean Couturier.

 

[rent free]

Is Point vs Barzal a dicussion? Or is Mat Barzal superior and always will be?

why don't u make yet another poll and find out