How can Matthews put himself in the convo with McDavid as “Best young player”?

[hockeyguy1967]

Score more then 60ish points first of all maybe? That would be step 1 of 20.

 

[Skolman]

convince babs to give him the same ice time as mcdavid.

You think if he had the same ice time as McDavid he would be on par?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

No, but it certainly wouldn't be a 40 point spread. Matthews was ppg this year playing those reduced minutes. With a full season and McDavid level icetime, I could see a 10 point difference.

So no, doubt he'll ever be as good but the people bringing up score more than 60 points [mod] don't seem to care he played 62 games last year

 

[Ctrain2k]

He can’t

 

[BrannigansLaw]

There's so much wrong with this post.

You're right. I meant 5 point difference, sorry.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

what does he need to do to be put on equal footing with McDavid?


Edit: damn I put it in the wrong section

Start playing at a local community rink where they keep track of points...

 

[Not Sure]

No, but it certainly wouldn't be a 40 point spread. Matthews was ppg this year playing those reduced minutes. With a full season and McDavid level icetime, I could see a 10 point difference.

So no, doubt he'll ever be as good but the people bringing up score more than 60 points [mod] don't seem to care he played 62 games last year

You realize ice time isn't always proportional to points, right? Maybe with more minutes Matthew's gets a bit more winded and loses half a step late in the game. Besides, why should anyone have to convince Babcock to give him ice time? Hes the best coach in the world I thought, shouldn't he know how to deploy his players better than a bunch of people on a hockey forum?

 

[X66]

IMO the only way is becoming a consistent 50/50 guy and being much better defensively.

 

[ricky0034]

What does Tanner Glass have to do to be better than McDavid?

It's the same question, because the answer is the same. Nothing, because it will never happen.

I would argue that Tanner Glass actually has a better chance of being better than McDavid than Matthews does

the only shot either of them have is if McDavid gets a career ending injury and Glass is far more physical than Matthews is

Glass could injure him himself,what's Matthews gonna do? hope someone else ends McDavid's career?

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Win a Hart trophy. There are about 750 NHL players that aren't as good McDavid, why should Matthews be any different?

 

[Tralfamadore]

Scoring more than 70 points would be a good start.

 

[olli]

put up 50 Goals and 100 points 2 years in a row.

 

[olli]

If not Matthews, which young player would have the best shot at putting "himself in the convo"?

Mackinnon did for most of last year.

 

[olli]

convince babs to give him the same ice time as mcdavid.

There's lots of evidence that p/60 stats increase linearly, isn't there?.

Stick Matthews in Mcdavids role in edmonton this past season with the same amount of ice time and he probably wouldn't have been more than ppg.

 

[TDK67]

There's lots of evidence that p/60 stats increase linearly, isn't there?.

Stick Matthews in Mcdavids role in edmonton this past season with the same amount of ice time and he probably wouldn't have been more than ppg.

Weird because Matthews had more ice time per game this year than last AND saw his p/60 increase drastically this year over last.

So strange that a rookie improved with 1 year of NHL experience and an offseason. I wonder if a sophomore with 2 years of NHL experience and another offseason might also improve? Or do all elite players just peak in their D+2 year?

 

[zeke]

There's lots of evidence that p/60 stats increase linearly, isn't there?.

Stick Matthews in Mcdavids role in edmonton this past season with the same amount of ice time and he probably wouldn't have been more than ppg.

McDavid

Yr1: 15:08esmpg, 2.70p/60
Yr2: 17:18esmpg, 3.00p/60
Yr3: 17:30esmpg, 3.30p/60

Matthews

Yr1: 15:09esmpg, 2.25p/60
Yr2: 15:57esmpg, 3.03p/60

forget linearly - for these guys, p/60 stats have been increasing the more ice time they get.

 

[zeke]

You think if he had the same ice time as McDavid he would be on par?

might be behind in points, but he'd be on par there with anyone else, and he'd be well ahead of Connor in goals.

and playing for a contender, not a bottom feeder.

 

[TDK67]

McDavid

Yr1: 15:08esmpg, 2.70p/60
Yr2: 17:18esmpg, 3.00p/60
Yr3: 17:30esmpg, 3.30p/60

Matthews

Yr1: 15:09esmpg, 2.25p/60
Yr2: 15:57esmpg, 3.03p/60

forget linearly - for these guys, p/60 stats have been increasing the more ice time they get.

Its almost like elite young superstars continue to develop and get better after being drafted.

 

[Skolman]

might be behind in points, but he'd be on par there with anyone else, and he'd be well ahead of Connor in goals.

and playing for a contender, not a bottom feeder.

"Might be behind in points"

I love how you bring up goals like it's worth so much more, but than discredit them when we talk Laine vs Marner.

The team success is irrelevant when we are talking about McDavid and Matthews, not sure why you Leafs fans think it's relevant when comparing players individually.

Honest question. Do you think Matthews hits 100 points last year playing 82 games and with the same ice-time Connor had?

 

[olli]

McDavid

Yr1: 15:08esmpg, 2.70p/60
Yr2: 17:18esmpg, 3.00p/60
Yr3: 17:30esmpg, 3.30p/60

Matthews

Yr1: 15:09esmpg, 2.25p/60
Yr2: 15:57esmpg, 3.03p/60

forget linearly - for these guys, p/60 stats have been increasing the more ice time they get.

Do you think that Matthews p/60 rates would increase at the same rate if you added another 1:30 to his esmpg?
You also need to consider that between 16-17 and 17-18 the leafs PP stayed about the same while the Oilers PP went from 5th to last. Lets see the es p/60 stats over the same time span comparing these two.

might be behind in points, but he'd be on par there with anyone else, and he'd be well ahead of Connor in goals.

and playing for a contender, not a bottom feeder.

This has no relevance to this thread. Stick Matthews on the oilers this past year and they would have been bottom 2 at best.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

have similar stat lines to mcdavid

 

[zeke]

"Might be behind in points"

I love how you bring up goals like it's worth so much more, but than discredit them when we talk Laine vs Marner.

The team success is irrelevant when we are talking about McDavid and Matthews, not sure why you Leafs fans think it's relevant when comparing players individually.

Honest question. Do you think Matthews hits 100 points last year playing 82 games and with the same ice-time Connor had?

Laine gets dinged because he's godawful possession wise, not because he scores goals.

Do I think Matthews can hit 100pts with those kinds of minutes? absolutely.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

convince babs to give him the same ice time as mcdavid.

Ice time has to be earned...

 

[zeke]

Do you think that Matthews p/60 rates would increase at the same rate if you added another 1:30 to his esmpg?

do you have evidence to suggest otherwise? or are you just assuming something you want to be true?

you also need to consider that between 16-17 and 17-18 the leafs PP got better while the oilers PP got worse. lets see the es p/60 stats over the same time span comparing these two.

those are esp/60s.

Stick Matthews on the oilers this past year and they

all I know is that Matthews got stuck on a team that you guys said was much worse than the oilers, and they haven't missed the playoffs yet.

 

[zeke]

Ice time has to be earned...

yes it does.

and there are many players who haven't earned more icetime than Matthews, who get it anyways.