Confirmed with Link: Hoffman traded to San Jose

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

That's where you're wrong. It means something when the goat hockey reporter thinks something.

Means nothing. He's giving his opinion of what could happen. Bob Mac also said Stamkos would line up very well with Toronto and how it could happen back in the day.

Means. Nothing.

 

[branch]

The only way this team has a moderate chance of being successful next year is if Logan Brown comes in and puts up 50 pts.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The only way this team has a moderate chance of being successful next year is if Logan Brown comes in and puts up 50 pts.

Imagine when his ELC is done and we have to do this shit all over again.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Means nothing. He's giving his opinion of what could happen. Bob Mac also said Stamkos would line up very well with Toronto and how it could happen back in the day.

Means. Nothing.

Means a lot this is different from what 'could happen' to what he thinks will happen.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ok, so lets ignore 2017 and 2016 because it's too early yet, though admittedly those picks look very promising,

2011-2015
2nd Round: Gagne, Chlapik, Englund, Prince.
3rd round: Gendron, Hogberg, Dreidger, Maidens
4th round: Wolanin, Ahl, Eiserman, Lindberg, Harpur, Boyle, Pageau
5th round: Jaros, Dunn, Baillargeon, Claesson

There's one player that is a surefire legit young NHLer in 19 picks. We struck gold with Formenton and Batherson, no doubt, assuming that we will always do so is very foolish.

Picks are nice, but so is being realistic about the likelihood of them becoming valuable roster players.

I don't think you're math is right on this one. Also I noticed you forgot 2008-2010:

2nd: Wiercioch, Lehner, Silfverberg
3rd: Smith, Culek
4th: Grant, Petersson, Wideman, Sorensen
5th: Borowiecki, Hoffman, Costello

In terms of young NHLers, I count 13, with the potential for 8 more (Gagne, Englund, Hogberg, Wolanin, Jaros, Batherson, Formenton and Dahlen). That's 21 young potential NHLers out of 34 picks in the 2nd-5th round since 2008. That's a damn impressive record.

Also prospects don't need to end up as NHLers to have value. Unproven prospects Batherson, Formenton and Dahlen are worth far beyond what Dorion just returned for an established 25-30G scorer. The prospect SJ selects with that 2nd will similarly be worth more than what we received.

 

[stempniaksen]

but as of now, none of this deep hatred is justified.

You're gonna sit here and say that with a straight face after everything the team and the fanbase have gone through over the last year?

 

[BonkTastic]

How does Boedker help the 3 year rebuild?

Maybe Boedker is secretly an amazing GM, and we just don't know it yet?

 

[Ouroboros]

Given the situation, this is fine. Clearly not good, but fine. It was obvious when reading this board that most people weren't willing to acknowledge exactly how much this scandal had tanked Hoffman's value. To get a cheap, versatile winger and a mediocre prospect is not terrible - it's better than waiving Hoffman.

We are a worse team now, but that's to be expected. The roster will be even worse again in a few weeks when Karlsson and Ryan are dealt as a package.

We are stripping it down. Get used to that idea.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

The only way this team has a moderate chance of being successful next year is if Logan Brown comes in and puts up 50 pts.

Even if he does we still need Anderson and Condon to have around a ~.917 s% and have both special teams units not both be in the bottom 5 league wide and one of Claesson or Harpur need to play half decent as a top 4 option.

I actually think Brown coming in and getting 40-50 points has a better or equal chance of happening than any of that other stuff.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I don't think you're math is right on this one. Also I noticed you forgot 2008-2010:

2nd: Wiercioch, Lehner, Silfverberg
3rd: Smith, Culek
4th: Grant, Petersson, Wideman, Sorensen
5th: Borowiecki, Hoffman, Costello

In terms of young NHLers, I count 13, with the potential for 8 more (Gagne, Englund, Hogberg, Wolanin, Jaros, Batherson, Formenton and Dahlen). That's 21 young potential NHLers out of 34 picks in the 2nd-5th round since 2008. That's a damn impressive record.

Also prospects don't need to end up as NHLers to have value. Unproven prospects Batherson, Formenton and Dahlen are worth far beyond what Dorion just returned for an established 25-30G scorer. The prospect SJ selects with that 2nd will similarly be worth more than what we received.

You can't include "potential" NHLers until they become NHLers.

We all thought Kaigorodov, Daugavins, etc were great prospects too.

 

[branch]

Even if he does we still need Anderson and Condon to have around a ~.917 s% and have both special teams units not both be in the bottom 5 league wide and one of Claesson or Harpur need to play half decent as a top 4 option.

I actually think Brown coming in and getting 40-50 points has a better or equal chance of happening than any of that other stuff.

Don't show this to Bonk

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Keeping Hoffman out of the division is not the PRIME OBJECTIVE!

I understand that, but if we flipped boedker and Bergman for picks, we'd be able to recover a 2020 2nd and 4th. Clearly we value boedker more than that right now, as someone only getting paid 3 million while providing 45-50 points.

 

[Sensinitis]

If EK re-signs, does half the board leave?

Or do they just find a way to ***** about something else?

 

[Micklebot]

While I appreciate the optimism, I personally dont agree or see Boedker contributing this much at this point in his career or want to take the chance at an injury etc, id rather just have the picks.

I love Theordore so thats the deal I do. Both trades look incredible to me and not very realistic with Dorion at the helm. I think we would end up with Miller over Theodore and id still probably do either deal.

I think Boedker will be on our 1st unit PP, and get top 6 mins, because who else will with Hoffman gone. The last time he got that kind of opportunity was 2015-16 and he put up 51 pts in 80 games. Not sure he will do it again, particularly if we trade Karlsson for futures, but he'll get ample opportunity.

As for the trade options, I'm partial to the Colorado one tbh but both seem decent;

4th OA: Zadina/Dobson/Kotkaniemi
16th OA: Kravstov (I know, no chance)/ Kupari/Smith/ Hayton
22nd OA: Miller/ Kaut/Dennisenko (I know...)/Wilde/ Noel

2019 OTT 1st: Somebody really good 'cause we are going to suck hard
2019 COL 1st: probably a late pick, because Colorado will be good with Karlsson
2019 COL 2nd: Dido.

That's not a bad way to rebuild in a hurry.

 

[Sensinitis]

I understand that, but if we flipped boedker and Bergman for picks, we'd be able to recover a 2020 2nd and 4th. Clearly we value boedker more than that right now, as someone only getting paid 3 million while providing 45-50 points.

Yeah and there’s only so many rookies we can ice next year.

Right now Brown, White and Wolanin are pretty much locks. Formenton possibly.

 

[coladin]

Not single D man there. Sorry man as a rebuilding team that finished second last the prospect pool is bad. The players they could get at 33 and 63 could be as good as the guy picked at 22 the first 60 players or so in this draft are all guys that could push for roster spots in the NHL very soon.

Revisionist history is easy but the team could have Zibanejad, Mcavoy, picks 33, 63, . Now they have 22nd, Brown, Gustavsson and 140. Just think about that for a second.

Yeah , think about that. Revisionist history is easy.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Yeah and there’s only so many rookies we can ice next year.

Right now Brown, White and Wolanin are pretty much locks. Formenton possibly.

Formentonthepresent.

 

[Micklebot]

If EK re-signs, does half the board leave?

Or do they just find a way to ***** about something else?

If we don't does the other half leave?

 

[topshelf15]

Given the situation, this is fine. Clearly not good, but fine. It was obvious when reading this board that most people weren't willing to acknowledge exactly how much this scandal had tanked Hoffman's value. To get a cheap, versatile winger and a mediocre prospect is not terrible - it's better than waiving Hoffman.

We are a worse team now, but that's to be expected. The roster will be even worse again in a few weeks when Karlsson and Ryan are dealt as a package.

We are stripping it down. Get used to that idea.

Then why did we not take the picks,and look for teams in cap hell to gain the cap floor and gain even more picks???

 

[Cosmix]

I understand that, but if we flipped boedker and Bergman for picks, we'd be able to recover a 2020 2nd and 4th. Clearly we value boedker more than that right now, as someone only getting paid 3 million while providing 45-50 points.

Bergman is a down-grade from Hoffman. This is going to aid the tank for the 2019 draft, but . . .

This team is screwed.

 

[slamigo]

Garrioch tweeted that Tallon said that Ottawa didn't want picks, only actual players. I mean, I can't even. I have no words.

 

[Silencio]

Someone on the main board posted that Boedker and Duchene had good chemistry in Colorado, for whatever that's worth.

 

[bert]

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-...-to-trade-karlsson-before-the-draft-1.1117099

Ya know, I am starting to think that he wont be traded as the title reads 'it makes sense to trade Karlsson before the draft'. As there has been no logic behind anything this organization does.

 

[coladin]

Is this the worst Dorion trade to date? Probably.
30-goal scorer for some 3rd liner. Amazing.

Without any context whatsoever, any....you are probably right.

 

[topshelf15]

Garrioch tweeted that Tallon said that Ottawa didn't want picks, only actual players. I mean, I can't even. I have no words.

Maybe just maybe we arent gassing the team and trading EK.........That would you know make the most sense