HHOF - Class of 2011

[RECsGuy*]

Who's eligibile?

Who's getting in?

I'm thinking you can't go wrong with any of these...

Adam Oates: (Career [Reg. + PO]) 1,500 GP - 504 G - 1,191 A - 1,695 PTS
Doug Gilmour: (Playoffs) 182 GP - 60 G - 128 A - 188 PTS
Pavel Bure: Averaged 50.53 G/82 GP (Career [Reg.+PO]) 766 GP - 472 G - 377 A - 849 PTS
Sergei Makarov: (Reg. w/ Traktor + Red Army) 519 GP - 322 G - 388 A - 710 PTS
Tom Barrasso: 1 Vezina, 1 Calder, 2 Stanley Cups
Ed Belfour: 2 Vezinas, 1 Calder, 1 Stanley Cup
Mike Vernon: 1 Conn Smythe, 2 Stanley Cups
Eric Lindros: 1.13 Career PPG (Career [Reg. + PO]) 813 GP - 396 G - 526 A - 922 PTS)
Kent Nilsson: 1.21 Career PPG (Career [Reg. + PO]) 612 GP - 275 G - 463 A - 738 PTS)

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[greatgazoo]

Are those the only candidates? What about Nieuwendyk and Fleury?

 

[kmad]

Oates, Gilmour, Makarov, Howe

 

[Derick*]

Adam Oates better ****ing get in already.

 

[seventieslord]

Yes, you can go wrong with Kent Nilsson and Mike Vernon.

I don't think anything separates Vernon from the likes of Osgood. Actually, Osgood might be the better goalie by now. Nilsson has a pretty per-game average from having a short NHL career spent in a high-scoring era in his prime. But he's not a hall of famer, not by a long shot.

Your other candidates are all solid. But don't excpect Barrasso to ever get in. He's borderline to begin with, and his reputation will keep him out.

Howe, Oates, Gilmour, Makarov is the "holy four" until one of them gets in.

 

[VanIslander]

Sergei Makarov is in a class above the rest.

 

[cynicism]

Oates, Makarov, Bure

Maybe Belfour

I know a lot of people object to Bure, but he was one of the most electrifying players I ever saw. He deserves to be in there far more than Dino does.

 

[jkrx]

Kent Nilsson is HHOF calibre but didnt play enough on a high level to really evaluate him.

In my mind Howe, Oates and Makarov are the ones whos missing for now as I doubt they will ever consider other great russians.

 

[connellc]

It should be

Makarov,Richter, Gilmour,Belfour.

It's time we give credit to the winning goalies of the 1990's. Knowing the commitee though, they will probably replace them with Andrechuck and Niewendyke.

 

[unknown33]

Oates, Gilmour, Makarov, Howe

That's the right one.

 

[MXD]

Oates and Gilmour are must, and really have to get in.

Actually, Makarov and Howe were better players, but we know what's going on.

 

[RECsGuy*]

for reference-sake...

Richter

54.03 W% (342 W - 291 L - 73 T [706 Decisions])
2.87 GAA (2,042 GA/711.6333 GMS [42,698 MINS])
90.57 SV% (19,607 SVS / 21,649 SA)
33 SO

(1) Stanley Cup
(1) World Cup Championship

Barrasso

56.51 W% (430 W - 331 L - 86 T [847 Decisions])
3.21 GAA (2,734 GA/852.21667 GMS [51,133 MINS])
89.47 SV% (23,234 SVS/25,968 SA)
44 SO

(2) Stanley Cups
(1) Vezina Trophy
Calder Trophy
(1) 1st Team All-Star Selection
(2) 2nd Team All-Star Selections

Vernon

58.41 W% (462 W - 329 L - 92 T [883 Decisions])
2.93 GAA (2,573 GA/877.71667 GMS [52,663 MINS])
89.16 SV% (21,164 SVS/23,737 SA)
33 SO

(2) Stanley Cups
Conn Smythe Trophy
(1) 2nd Team All-Star Selection

Belfour

58.73 W% (572 W - 402 L - 125 T [1,099 Decisions])
2.45 GAA (2,676 GA/1,094 GMS [65,640 MINS])
90.91 SV% (26,772 SVS/29,448 SA)
90 SO

(1) Stanley Cup
(2) Vezina Trophies
Calder Trophy
(2) 1st Team All-Star Selections
(1) 2nd Team All-Star Selection

Vachon

54.62 W% (378 W - 314 L - 127 T [819 Decisions])
2.98 GAA (2,443 GA/819.5667 GMS [49,174 MINS])
Inc. SV%
53 SO

(1) Stanley Cup
(1) Canada Cup Championship
(1) Vezina Trophy
(2) 2nd Team All-Star Selections

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Oates and Makarov for me

 

[connellc]

for reference-sake...

Richter

54.03 W% (342 W - 291 L - 73 T [706 Decisions])
2.87 GAA (2,042 GA/711.6333 GMS [42,698 MINS])
90.57 SV% (19,607 SVS / 21,649 SA)
33 SO

(1) Stanley Cup
(1) World Cup Championship

Barrasso

56.51 W% (430 W - 331 L - 86 T [847 Decisions])
3.21 GAA (2,734 GA/852.21667 GMS [51,133 MINS])
89.47 SV% (23,234 SVS/25,968 SA)
44 SO

(2) Stanley Cups
Calder Trophy
(1) 1st Team All-Star Selection
(2) 2nd Team All-Star Selections

Vernon

58.41 W% (462 W - 329 L - 92 T [883 Decisions])
2.93 GAA (2,573 GA/877.71667 GMS [52,663 MINS])
89.16 SV% (21,164 SVS/23,737 SA)
33 SO

(2) Stanley Cups
Conn Smythe Trophy
(1) 2nd Team All-Star Selection

Belfour

58.73 W% (572 W - 402 L - 125 T [1,099 Decisions])
2.45 GAA (2,676 GA/1,094 GMS [65,640 MINS])
90.91 SV% (26,772 SVS/29,448 SA)
90 SO

(1) Stanley Cup
(2) Vezina Trophies
Calder Trophy
(2) 1st Team All-Star Selections
(1) 2nd Team All-Star Selection

Vachon

54.62 W% (378 W - 314 L - 127 T [819 Decisions])
2.98 GAA (2,443 GA/819.5667 GMS [49,174 MINS])
Inc. SV%
53 SO

(1) Stanley Cup
(1) Canada Cup Championship
(1) Vezina Trophy
(2) 2nd Team All-Star Selections

Purely looking at Stats, Belfour blows all of them out of the water in pretty much every category. Also has more Vezinas than any of the goalies. He wasn't the best with the media though, and may not get in this year, but I think he's a lock for the hall for sure. Although the numbers say Vernon is a better goalie than Richter, I like what Richter accomplished a bit more. Brought NY to their first Stanley in 56 years, and also played phenomenal in the World cup. Pitty he was on a lot of crappy NY teams. Vernon does have a Con Smyth though and more wins. I think Belfour and one of these goalies should go in. I'm glad you didn't add Beezer or CUJO to the conversation. They were just real solid goalies that played on mediocre teams.

I think you are forgetting that Barrasso has a Vezina trophy to his name. He won it as a rookie I think. I believe he was overrated and was played solid enough to win a couple of cups for a stacked PENS team. He kinda ended his career in turmoil and bouncing from team to team. He wasn't good with the media either. His goalie stats aren't the best...

 

[tarheelhockey]

Belfour, Howe, Makarov, Oates

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Howe, Oates, Gilmour, Makarov is the "holy four" until one of them gets in.

Do you put all four of these guys above Belfour or are you just referring to the "holy four" as guys who have been getting snubbed for a while now?

 

[seventieslord]

Although the numbers say Vernon is a better goalie than Richter, I like what Richter accomplished a bit more. Brought NY to their first Stanley in 56 years, and also played phenomenal in the World cup. Pitty he was on a lot of crappy NY teams.

NY was only crappy at the tail end of Richter's career. He was mostly on strong teams.

And yes, Vernon was extremely average - Richter is better.

I think you are forgetting that Barrasso has a Vezina trophy to his name. He won it as a rookie I think. I believe he was overrated and was played solid enough to win a couple of cups for a stacked PENS team.

No goalie has faced more shots per game in a cup win in the last 30 seasons, than Barrasso did with the Pens. And it wasn't just exchanging goals, either - he had a great sv%.

His goalie stats aren't the best...

His goalie stats are excellent. The only way they're not is if you look at them and expect them to look like a 1990s or 2000s goalie. Scoring was higher in the 80s. Barrasso was consistently in the top-10 in sv%, and led the NHL twice I think, if not once for sure.

 

[kmad]

If Belfour is eligible, he has to get in. I wasn't sure when his first year of eligibility was.

 

[seventieslord]

Do you put all four of these guys above Belfour or are you just referring to the "holy four" as guys who have been getting snubbed for a while now?

both. But yeah, I have them all above Belfour. I think on an all-time list I would have Makarov in the 60s, maybe even higher. Gilmour and Howe in the 90s, Oates just past 100th, and Belfour in the 120 range.

Belfour is a lock though.

 

[connellc]

NY was only crappy at the tail end of Richter's career. He was mostly on strong teams.

And yes, Vernon was extremely average - Richter is better.



No goalie has faced more shots per game in a cup win in the last 30 seasons, than Barrasso did with the Pens. And it wasn't just exchanging goals, either - he had a great sv%.



His goalie stats are excellent. The only way they're not is if you look at them and expect them to look like a 1990s or 2000s goalie. Scoring was higher in the 80s. Barrasso was consistently in the top-10 in sv%, and led the NHL twice I think, if not once for sure.

I thought Barrasso's first 6 or 7 years were great. After around 1994, he was an average goalie. Certainly didn't have the longevity of any of the goalies mentioned above. But who would you rank better...Barrasso or Richter?

 

[Bjorn Le]

Only lock is Belfour IMO. The rest have been passed up so much I wouldn't be surprsied to see it again.

 

[kmad]

I thought Barrasso's first 6 or 7 years were great. After around 1994, he was an average goalie. Certainly didn't have the longevity of any of the goalies mentioned above. But who would you rank better...Barrasso or Richter?

I think Richter's international resume vaults him ahead of Barrasso.

 

[pnep]

Player|Career|Seasons|POS|NHL "HHOF Monitor" PTS
Belfour Ed|1988-07|18|G|1400.50
Provost Claude|1955-70|15|RW|1330.50
Barrasso Tom|1983-03|19|G|1282.50
Bure Pavel|1991-03|12|RW|1221.00
Gilmour Doug|1983-03|20|C|1190.50
Lindros Eric|1992-07|13|C|1164.00
Nieuwendyk Joe|1986-07|20|C|1142.50
Oates Adam|1985-04|19|C|1084.50
Leclair John|1990-07|16|LW|1048.50
Mogilny Alexander|1989-06|16|RW|1046.50
Howe Mark|1979-95|16|D|1007.15
Thompson Paul|1926-39|13|LW|1002.00
Rousseau Bobby|1960-75|15|RW|982.00
Talbot Jean Guy|1954-71|17|D|981.00
Kerr Dave|1930-41|11|G|977.50
Vernon Mike|1982-02|19|G|960.00
Hollett Flash|1933-46|13|D|945.80
Fleury Theo|1988-03|15|RW|929.00
Stevens Kevin|1987-02|15|LW|920.00
Turgeon Pierre|1987-07|19|C|911.00
Backstrom Ralph|1956-73|17|C|893.50
Tremblay J.C.|1959-72|13|D|892.45
Vachon Rogie|1966-82|16|G|875.50
Carbonneau Guy|1980-00|19|C|872.50
Goring Butch|1969-85|16|C|870.00
Liut Mike|1979-92|13|G|868.00
Andreychuk Dave|1982-06|23|LW|863.00
Stewart Gaye|1941-54|11|LW|858.50
Dillon Ceece|1930-40|10|RW|855.50
Brewer Carl|1957-80|12|D|844.90
Cain Herb|1933-46|13|LW|843.00
Smith Sid|1946-58|12|LW|838.50
Martin Rick|1971-82|11|LW|837.00
Bondra Peter|1990-07|16|RW|830.00
Hodge Ken|1964-78|14|RW|826.00
Goyette Phil|1956-72|16|C|821.00
Damphousse Vincent|1986-04|18|LW|819.75
Metz Nick|1934-48|12|LW|816.00
Marshall Don|1951-72|19|LW|808.50
Wharram Kenny|1951-69|14|RW|808.00
Tonelli John|1978-92|14|LW|800.00

 

[tony d]

Oates, Gilmour, Howe, Vachon

 

[seventieslord]

I thought Barrasso's first 6 or 7 years were great. After around 1994, he was an average goalie. Certainly didn't have the longevity of any of the goalies mentioned above. But who would you rank better...Barrasso or Richter?

(Barrasso was 2nd in sv% in 1998)

It would be really close. Barrasso was slightly better in the regular season, they were about equal in the playoffs, but Barrasso did it for about 50% more minutes, and Richter has the better international resume but that can also easily be dismissed by better opportunties (USA was not a threat in best on best when Barrasso was at his best) or by the simple fact that Richter got hot for the right two games.

I'd take Barrasso by a very slim margin.