HFAvs Prospect Ranking Poll #4

[The Abusement Park]

That doesn't make any sense for many reasons.

Reason number one would be that Makar is playing above expectations for a 4th OA and Timmins missing a whole year sure didn't jump at "above expectations Makar" level of upside.

Timmins had 2nd pairing upside on draft day and it didn't change much. He had a good D+1 year and missed his D+2 year completely...so yeah his upside isn't on Makar level out of the blue (that'd be Byram).

That said, 2nd pairing D > 3rd line winger with 2nd line upside (Kaut). So Timmins gets my vote.

I think the top pairing potential was there on draft day and I think it's still there; just less likely he hits it now. But he was always gonna be a 2d never a 1d.

 

[UncleRisto]

Add whoever, cause we're out of NHLers.

 

[Foxtail]

Add whoever, cause we're out of NHLers.

Add Stienberg

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Add Stienberg

No, you didn’t just go there.

 

[Balthazar]

He is saying pure upside. Doesn't matter where they were drafted, when playing with their peers Timmins and Makar both excelled and it could be argued Timmins outperformed Makar (albeit given a much bigger role). So pure upside, from there is similar. What's changed is that Timmins got a serious injury and Makar went on to excel at the next level. Does that change Timmins potential? I don't think so, at least not from a pure hockey ability stand point. It might take him longer to get there buy Timmins still has top pairing potential IMO. I don't let injuries cloud my judgement on potential, especially when we have every reason to believe he is back to 100% health. (See Crosby, Bergeron, skinner)

There's no way in hell they have the same upside. They didn't have the same upside in 2017 and even much less now.

 

[Ivan13]

Timmins wasn't thought off as highly at the draft, Makar was obviously the one scouts thought had a higher ceiling, but that was before Timmins showed how dominant he can be in the OHL and before he dominated the WJC. After that, he was held in much higher regard in the hockey community and was considered really close to Makar.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Kaut

Timmins played his last game on May 11th 2018 and its still unclear what happens once he plays an actual game. A massive red flag that needs to be answered before I'm going in on the Timmins hype train.

 

[Nzap]

Timmins for me, at least for now with his health.
Add Werner.

 

[Perratrooper]

Wait so let me get this right. Timmins misses an ENTIRE YEAR of hockey and jumps Kaut in our prospect rankings...? Makes sense..

 

[Bubba Thudd]

Wait so let me get this right. Timmins misses an ENTIRE YEAR of hockey and jumps of Kaut in our prospect rankings...? Makes sense..

Yup, cuz stuff is legal here!

 

[Nzap]

Wait so let me get this right. Timmins misses an ENTIRE YEAR of hockey and jumps of Kaut in our prospect rankings...? Makes sense..

His health plays a big role here.
Last year there were still reports of issues. Now he has participated normally.

 

[Nihiliste]

Missing as much hockey as Timmins has, can’t rate him at all. Just a bonus if he recovers and becomes an NHL player at all.

For fans of Kaut, what do you guys see him becoming for us?

I voted Helleson, think he’ll be a player.

 

[henchman21]

His health plays a big role here.
Last year there were still reports of issues. Now he has participated normally.

And as much as people don't want to hear it Kaut's +1 was pretty mediocre. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't anything that screams sure thing 2nd liner either.

 

[UncleRisto]

People are calling to add Kamenev. Is he not considered graduated?

 

[Perratrooper]

His health plays a big role here.
Last year there were still reports of issues. Now he has participated normally.

I find it very unlikely people expected him to miss an entire year when we did these rankings last year. Even with reports saying he’s practicing normally, his interview at development cap suggested he is not yet ready for games. Kaut had a major scare with his heart around the same time and was likely projected (although concussions are hard to project) to be out longer in terms of off season training.

Regardless, it is quite interesting to see a player who missed an entire year and still have looming health concerns moving up in the prospect rankings.

 

[henchman21]

I find it very unlikely people expected him to miss an entire year when we did these rankings last year. Even with reports saying he’s practicing normally, his interview at development cap suggested he is not yet ready for games. Kaut had a major scare with his heart around the same time and was likely projected (although concussions are hard to project) to be out longer in terms of off season training.

Regardless, it is quite interesting to see a player who missed an entire year and still have looming health concerns moving up in the prospect rankings.

Technically he'd be moving down... 3rd last year, 4th this year behind 2 new players. Moving ahead of one previous player.

 

[McMetal]

People are calling to add Kamenev. Is he not considered graduated?

He's 22 and still has less than 65 NHL games played, so he meets the criteria still. I'll start calling to add him after Kovalenko.

 

[UncleRisto]

He's 22 and still has less than 65 NHL games played, so he meets the criteria still. I'll start calling to add him after Kovalenko.

Oh, well then I say add him now.

 

[cgf]

Technically he'd be moving down... 3rd last year, 4th this year behind 2 new players. Moving ahead of one previous player.

You probably saw way more than the 3 games of his that I did last year, what's up with Weiss?

 

[TruePowerSlave]

If Kamenev is considered a prospect he should be already added ahead of someone like Meloche IMO

 

[S E P H]

For fans of Kaut, what do you guys see him becoming for us?

I am not a huge fan of Kaut, but as TPS mentioned here a lot of times I also do see a lot of Silfverberg in his game. I think he should have similar potential too.

 

[henchman21]

You probably saw way more than the 3 games of his that I did last year, what's up with Weiss?

He weighs about as much as Kate Moss in her cocaine days and gets pushed around real easily. UNO was basically a 1 line team last year and Weiss spent a good amount of time in the middle 6 at the end of the season. Odds are pretty high that Weiss will end up with Conley and Ward on the top line next year. You could tell early in the season that college hockey was too much for him, but as it went along he got better and better. IMO he should have spent a season in the USHL with Chicago instead of UNO, but what is done is done now. This year will be important for him to get going. I'd like to see a 10-15 sort of season from him.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Weiss’ last five games or so were encouraging. But then shows up injured to development camp so that’s also not helpful.

Add Kovalenko

 

[CoachBadkitten]

Add Kamenev

 

[Barklez]

Add Kamenev