help me rank these 10 players (step below blue chip)

[Habitantpeasoup]

I've been posting here for a long *** time. You don't need to "lecture" me on the fact that some people are definately homers. That's quite obvious. I try to look at everything pretty balanced in the long run.

Then you have posters like the ones saying Latendresse is like the 2nd best player in the draft and so on and so forth.

If you even can't admit that's ridiculous, than God help this board.

It's definately gone downhill in the last few years.

____! You have an ego!!

 

[Meat Wave]

Yes, there are many Habs fans overreacting on HFBoards, and yes, many of them are often going way too far with their predictions for Montreal prospects. This is getting annoying and I won't argue with you over that. It needs to stop, and it probably won't, considering the huge number of Canadiens fans posters on the Prospects Board.

With that being said, I think that you Jon, on the other hand, are starting to be quite pathetic with your "I'm always rightl, other posters are always wrong" attitude. This needs to stop. You have no arguments when you try to make a point. All you do is quote "X poster" and laugh at his opinion, saying "This comment is the stupidest you've ever read. My goodness. OMG"

Let's remember for a minute here that we are talking about prospects here. By definition, a prospect is something you can project, but you can't be sure about. Next time, explain your point instead of just ripping off the other poster just because his opinion on some prospect is not the same as yours.

 

[K9]

Ouch this is tough.

1)Zach Parise
2)Rostislav Olesz
3)Bobby Ryan
4)Dustin Brown
5)Eric Fehr
6)Patrick O'Sullivan
7)Wojtek Wolski
8)Alexander Perezhogin
9)Alexander Radulov
10)Guillaume Latendresse

Keep in mind if I did this list again in a couple days it would probably be different. Too many of them are too tough to call.

For me it was top 6(Parise, Olesz, Ryan, Brown, Fehr, O'Sullivan), these could all really be in any order

then bottom 3(Perezhogin, Radulov, Latendresse) Again, could be in any order

 

[Porn*]

Ouch this is tough.

1)Zach Parise
2)Rostislav Olesz
3)Bobby Ryan
4)Dustin Brown
5)Eric Fehr
6)Patrick O'Sullivan
7)Wojtek Wolski
8)Alexander Perezhogin
9)Alexander Radulov
10)Guillaume Latendresse

Keep in mind if I did this list again in a couple days it would probably be different. Too many of them are too tough to call.

For me it was top 6(Parise, Olesz, Ryan, Brown, Fehr, O'Sullivan), these could all really be in any order

then bottom 3(Perezhogin, Radulov, Latendresse) Again, could be in any order

watch out... you'll be labelled a "homer" and an idiot and a number of other things for putting habs prospects towards the bottom.

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pretty good list btw.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

For those who are worried about Ryan's skating:

Joffrey Lupul went into the 2002 as a pretty highly regarded prospect, even getting comparisons to Mike Bossy. The knock on him was that he couldn't stay up on the ice.

Ryan Getzlaf went into the 2003 draft also as a fairly highly regarded prospect, but he nearly fell out of the top 20, mainly because his skating sucked.

Corey Perry wasn't that highly regarded going into the '03 draft, but dominated the OHL the year after. People didn't believe he'd become a good NHLer, though, because he wasn't big enough. Oh yeah, they also thought that because he was a horrendous skater.


Now, I'm not saying these guys are stars yet, but, from what I've seen from all three, their skating had improved quite a bit since they were drafted. Now, not counting the fact that they're all in the CHL, or were considered bad skaters going into the draft, can anyone tell me what three players and Bobby Ryan have in common?

Oh, BTW, JasonMac, you noted that Ryan was sent home while Latendresse was still with Montreal. Well, that has alot to do with the fact that Bobby Ryan was injured for all of training camp, and they sent him back to get him to Owen Sound in time for the season to start.

 

[Randall Graves*]

Finally a list that looks somewhat remotely realistic.

uhh no, landentresse will be better than ryan,parise,brown and o'sullivan.

 

[K9]

watch out... you'll be labelled a "homer" and an idiot and a number of other things for putting habs prospects towards the bottom.

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pretty good list btw.

I'm a habs fan....

 

[Transported Upstater]

Same hood? More like they arent even playing the same sport. Thats how far back latandresse is to parise.

I know, but I wanted to let Latendresse off easy

 

[Porn*]

I'm a habs fan....

granted.. at least you clarify that my list wasn't all that bad

good thing not all hab fans are dillusional!

 

[Histrion]

I've been posting here for a long *** time. You don't need to "lecture" me on the fact that some people are definately homers. That's quite obvious. I try to look at everything pretty balanced in the long run.

Then you have posters like the ones saying Latendresse is like the 2nd best player in the draft and so on and so forth.

If you even can't admit that's ridiculous, than God help this board.

It's definately gone downhill in the last few years.

The point of my post wasn't that some people are homers. Maybe I made mistakes while translating my thoughts in this foreign language, but I did think I was pretty damn clear. I am saying that homerism is just a form of bias and that there are plenty more forms of it preventing ourselves from making worthwhile list.

Did I say that it wasn't ridiculous that Latendresse was rated second by a couple of delusional homers? No, I didn't. What I said though is that people are overreacting. Why the hell should you care if X thinks that Latendresse is the second best player? I personally don't care even though I don't agree with him. And if I want to point it out, I will find a more diplomatical and intelligent way of telling him that Latendresse isn't the 2nd best player or just shut up because... well, because I don't really care for his opinion if his bias is that evident. There's no need to be an *** over it though. But then again, I don't have freakin' crystal ball, even though it is clear that Latendresse hasn't thus far proven worthy of the 2nd spot by any stretch of the imagination. (I am not implying that Latendresse will become the 2nd best: I have no clue about it really, but I would, in my worthless opinion, say that he won't.)

By the way, if you looked at the ranking I approved, Latendresse was quite at the bottom of the list, wasn't he...

I have also been here for years and the homerism, various biases and overrating have always been part of these forums. We just tend to look fondly at that past and also gain in maturity in the mean time, so we just realize more and more how the forums really are... Heck, when I came here, Connolly was the second coming of Steve Yzerman... how time have changed...

 

[Transported Upstater]

I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say that it isn't that I dislike Latendresse or think he's a terrible player. But he's not the best prospect on HIS OWN TEAM, so people should put it in perspective.

By no means are Habs fans the only homers...Anyone who thinks that is being delusional and "homer" themselves. By the way, I'm a Toronto fan, despite my location.




What about how someone said Stephen Weiss has Selke trophy potential? To me that's even more laughable than Latendresse being rated too high...

 

[Histrion]

I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say that it isn't that I dislike Latendresse or think he's a terrible player. But he's not the best prospect on HIS OWN TEAM, so people should put it in perspective.

By no means are Habs fans the only homers...Anyone who thinks that is being delusional and "homer" themselves. By the way, I'm a Toronto fan, despite my location.




What about how someone said Stephen Weiss has Selke trophy potential? To me that's even more laughable than Latendresse being rated too high...

Yeah, I also pointed out how bad the Leafs fans are having it. The minute a Leafs fan says something wrong someone will say '1967'. What's the point?

As for ridiculous statements, well, there has been a lot of them. For instance, well, before Bouwmeester was drafted, when he was 16/17, some people were speaking of him as being only a notch-below the second coming of Bobby Orr. I mean... that's kind of bad for a comparison. It was quite mainstream though to speak of him as the second coming of Paul Coffey, one of the all-time greats. Well, this comparison is also looking very bad, IMO. Not that Bouwmeester is a bad hockey player, far from it, but his chances of going down in the history of hockey on par with Paul Coffey are really, really slim.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

My list, BTW:


1) Bobby Ryan
2) Zach Parise
3) Dustin Brown
4) Rostislav Olesz
5) Alexander Perezhogin
6) Patrick O'Sullivan
7) Alexander Radulov
8) Guillaume Latendresse
9) Eric Fehr
10) Wojtek Woski

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Mine:

1)Zach Parise
2)Bob Ryan
3)Patrick O'Sullivan
4)Dustin Brown
5)Rostislav Olesz
6)Alexander Perizohgin
7)Eric Fehr
8)Alex Radulov
9)Wojtech Wolski
10)Guiullame Latendresse

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I've been posting here for a long *** time. You don't need to "lecture" me on the fact that some people are definately homers. That's quite obvious. I try to look at everything pretty balanced in the long run.

Then you have posters like the ones saying Latendresse is like the 2nd best player in the draft and so on and so forth.

If you even can't admit that's ridiculous, than God help this board.

It's definately gone downhill in the last few years.

Reveille....I would really like to ask you how many damn times you seen Latendresse play...Its quite obvious you haven't seen him play probably since Christmas last year. Your comments on his skating in a past thread made you look like a fool saying your grama can skate faster. This past draft was weak...Pouliot is a huge risk, Ryan is a worse skater then Latendresse and Brule has little man syndrom thinking he is 6`9. Kopitar is a wildcard....other then that up front there isn't much. Latendresse has been proving and continues to prove tonight that he belongs in the list with those forwards at the current time.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

For those who are worried about Ryan's skating:

Joffrey Lupul went into the 2002 as a pretty highly regarded prospect, even getting comparisons to Mike Bossy. The knock on him was that he couldn't stay up on the ice.

Ryan Getzlaf went into the 2003 draft also as a fairly highly regarded prospect, but he nearly fell out of the top 20, mainly because his skating sucked.

Corey Perry wasn't that highly regarded going into the '03 draft, but dominated the OHL the year after. People didn't believe he'd become a good NHLer, though, because he wasn't big enough. Oh yeah, they also thought that because he was a horrendous skater.


Now, I'm not saying these guys are stars yet, but, from what I've seen from all three, their skating had improved quite a bit since they were drafted. Now, not counting the fact that they're all in the CHL, or were considered bad skaters going into the draft, can anyone tell me what three players and Bobby Ryan have in common?

Oh, BTW, JasonMac, you noted that Ryan was sent home while Latendresse was still with Montreal. Well, that has alot to do with the fact that Bobby Ryan was injured for all of training camp, and they sent him back to get him to Owen Sound in time for the season to start.

OK, I will admit I was wrong there. Also I don't mean to attack Ryan I am just trying to stand for Latendresse. Ryan may be better now and in the future but the disresepct Latendresse is getting because Montreal drafted him is downright silly.

 

[WILDTATE10]

my list:

Parise
perezohagon
O'Sullivan
Brown
Ryan
Olesz
Fehr
latendresse
Radulov
Wolski

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Reveille....I would really like to ask you how many damn times you seen Latendresse play...Its quite obvious you haven't seen him play probably since Christmas last year. Your comments on his skating in a past thread made you look like a fool saying your grama can skate faster. This past draft was weak...Pouliot is a huge risk, Ryan is a worse skater then Latendresse and Brule has little man syndrom thinking he is 6`9. Kopitar is a wildcard....other then that up front there isn't much. Latendresse has been proving and continues to prove tonight that he belongs in the list with those forwards at the current time.

Right now he's not even a top 10 forward from the draft IMO. He might be there one day, but he hasn't proved as much as you think - despite that 3 point game with the Habs. Id still have Ryan, Brule, Pouliot, Kopitar, and Skille ahead of him for sure - and then theres others like Hanzal, Cogliano, Stoa etc. which have higher end potential.

 

[AnThGrt]

My list:
1) Parise
2) Brown
3) Perezoghin
4) Ryan
5) O'Sullivan
6) Latendresse
7) Olesz
8) Fehr
9) Radulov
10) Wolski

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Right now he's not even a top 10 forward from the draft IMO. He might be there one day, but he hasn't proved as much as you think - despite that 3 point game with the Habs. Id still have Ryan, Brule, Pouliot, Kopitar, and Skille ahead of him for sure - and then theres others like Hanzal, Cogliano, Stoa etc. which have higher end potential.

Can't see it....Hanzal, Cogliano, Skille and Stoa haven't attended a camp yet let alone impress the team enough to think about keeping you. Latendresse is outplaying players like Perezhogin and Higgins.

 

[Histrion]

Can't see it....Hanzal, Cogliano, Skille and Stoa haven't attended a camp yet let alone impress the team enough to think about keeping you. Latendresse is outplaying players like Perezhogin and Higgins.

I wouldn't say he is outplaying Higgins. He might be outplaying Perezhogin though. Good effort by Latendresse tonight, he got two good scoring chances, a couple of hits (7 if I'm not mistaken) and an assist. I don't think he'll make the team but he could definitly make our 4th line, it's just that it wouldn't help him much...

Perezhogin is not that impressive though. Maybe it's just a bad camp... I hope it is.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

uhh no, landentresse will be better than ryan,parise,brown and o'sullivan.

Really? Who wins the Stanley cup in 2010?

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I wouldn't say he is outplaying Higgins. He might be outplaying Perezhogin though. Good effort by Latendresse tonight, he got two good scoring chances, a couple of hits (7 if I'm not mistaken) and an assist. I don't think he'll make the team but he could definitly make our 4th line, it's just that it wouldn't help him much...

Perezhogin is not that impressive though. Maybe it's just a bad camp... I hope it is.

You do know 7 hits is simply amazing in a game for a forward.

 

[cagney]

Can't see it....Hanzal, Cogliano, Skille and Stoa haven't attended a camp yet let alone impress the team enough to think about keeping you. Latendresse is outplaying players like Perezhogin and Higgins.

Cogliano, Skille and Stoa are all at college. If they went to camp who knows what they would have shown.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Cogliano, Skille and Stoa are all at college. If they went to camp who knows what they would have shown.

I know....it isn't their fault but my point remains. While they are going to college Latendresse is gaining valuable expeience playing well verses NHL stars.