Speculation: Hawks Rebuild Thread

[Blackhawkswincup]

Lindgren is better then Demchenko if you want a goalie. Could something like:

Ryan Carpenter
John Quennville (Or any AHL player)

vs

Jordan Weal
Charlie Lindgren

Lindgren is terrible

No thanks

 

[DropTheGloves]

Lindgren is terrible

No thanks

If most of the trade proposals others make for Blackhawks players in the midst of a self-admitted rebuild are in your estimation "terrible", is it possible you're the one looking at them wrong? Food for thought.

 

[coastal]

Buffalo - Patrick Kane

Chicago - Cozens, Oloffson, Risto, Okposo, 2021 1st round pick

 

[Kublakhan]

Buffalo - Patrick Kane

Chicago - Cozens, Oloffson, Risto, Okposo, 2021 1st round pick

WTF No way in Hell..

 

[coastal]

WTF No way in Hell..

Why not

 

[Pitter Patter]

Why not

Because you're trying to turn bad cap space into good cap space without paying for it.

 

[Spazkat]

Toews at 50% is still a 70-80 pt selke quality center, somebody f***in put a bullet in me if I need to explain this in every thread over the course of a rebuild. I’d ask for a high end prospect like Newhook, Rossi, Perfetti, Hayton, Steel, Glass, etc

Huh? 70-80 point selke center ? Toews has been in the league 13 years. Of those he hit the over 70 points exactly twice and they were 8 years apart. He's averaging 62.6 pts/year over the course of his career.

The last few years he has technically gotten some Selke votes, but c'mon... Bonino and Nichushkin finished ahead of him. Its been years since he even made the top 10

 

[NYRKing]

Not much they can do but try and build up the pipeline.

Forward group is really good. Debrincat and lucking out with Dach is insane.

Even though they have names on D I really think it’s so average if not below average. Goaltending is nothing.

Unless strome is moved they don’t have many pieces that can be traded so a rebuild would take a long time.

 

[Pitter Patter]

If most of the trade proposals others make for Blackhawks players in the midst of a self-admitted rebuild are in your estimation "terrible", is it possible you're the one looking at them wrong? Food for thought.

Everyone lowballs a rebuilding team, professor.

 

[VanJack]

This reminds me of what the Canucks tried to do a few years ago when the Sedins were still productive players.....try to retool and rebuild while still paying your franchise players on a big ticket.

It's didn't work then, and I doubt it works for the Hawks. The chances of any other team in the league being able to swallow the salaries for Toews and Patrick Kane is just about nil.

 

[Kublakhan]

Why not

How about Risto+Mittelstadt +2021 1st for Kane

 

[Hockeyholic]

Might be a dumb question. But why hasn't Malcolm Subban been able to make it as a #1 goalie? Is it size? Glove? Between the ears (Self doubt)?

 

[AcadiaAxeMan]

Danault, Mete & 2nd for Kane.

Drouin, Byron, Mete, 2nd for Kane.

 

[Fatass]

Drouin, Byron, Mete, 2nd for Kane.

This makes way more sense, but no way the Habs bring in a 10.5 million dollar cap hit, even if he’s as good as Kane.

 

[nickschultzfan]

If Rangers had guts, they would put Laf or Kaapo on the table and grab Kane, Toews, and Keith in a package deal.

 

[Malaka]

Huh? 70-80 point selke center ? Toews has been in the league 13 years. Of those he hit the over 70 points exactly twice and they were 8 years apart. He's averaging 50.9 pts/year over the course of his career.

The last few years he has technically gotten some Selke votes, but c'mon... Bonino and Nichushkin finished ahead of him. Its been years since he even made the top 10

What were his numbers the last two years bud? Both pacing 70, and 81 points respectively. He doesn’t have nearly the same depth below him as he did his Selke years. He’s still considered a top tier quality two way center regardless

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

If most of the trade proposals others make for Blackhawks players in the midst of a self-admitted rebuild are in your estimation "terrible", is it possible you're the one looking at them wrong? Food for thought.

Lindgren has been absolutely terrible for several years failing to register a sv pct above .900

Lindgren the last 3 years
17-18
8-19-2 with 3.39 GAA and .886 sv pct (AHL)
4-8-2 with 3.03 GAA and .908 sv pct (NHL)

18-19
11-20-1 with 2.92 GAA and .884 sv pct (AHL)
1-0-0 with 4.62 GAA and .898 sv pct (NHL)

19-20
7-6-2 wiht 2.67 GAA and .893 sv pct (AHL)
2-4 with 3.33 GAA and .888 sv pct (NHL)

Lindgren's play is reason Habs went out and traded for Jake Allen

 

[CanadianHawks]

Huh? 70-80 point selke center ? Toews has been in the league 13 years. Of those he hit the over 70 points exactly twice and they were 8 years apart. He's averaging 50.9 pts/year over the course of his career.

The last few years he has technically gotten some Selke votes, but c'mon... Bonino and Nichushkin finished ahead of him. Its been years since he even made the top 10

He's averaging 50 pts a year? According to what.

Toews has a career PPG of 0.864. In an 82 game season he averages 71 pts per year.

 

[Spazkat]

He's averaging 50 pts a year? According to what.

Toews has a career PPG of 0.864. In an 82 game season he averages 71 pts per year.

You're partly are correct. I screwed up my math and its 62.6, but you are using PPG projections and I used actual # of points per year. Seems to me, when using historical data that "what actually happened" carries more weight than "what might have happened "

 

[Narcissus]

If Rangers had guts, they would put Laf or Kaapo on the table and grab Kane, Toews, and Keith in a package deal.

Brooklyn Nets style, I like it.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

If Rangers had guts, they would put Laf or Kaapo on the table and grab Kane, Toews, and Keith in a package deal.

well then I’m praying the rangers don’t have guts lol

 

[SRHRangers]

Rangers get Toews at 50% Rentention

Blackhawks get: Georgiev, Kravtsov, 2021 1st.

 

[Habaholic25]

- Kane
* If he is willing to waive to go to Montreal... Doubtful
* Retention down to $9M
for
- Caufield
- Guhle
- 2021 1st (unprotected)
- Allen, Armia, Byron (cap reasons)

 

[Be a Hab]

- Kane
* If he is willing to waive to go to Montreal... Doubtful
* Retention down to $9M
for
- Caufield
- Guhle
- 2021 1st (unprotected)
- Allen, Armia, Byron (cap reasons)

I don’t think Kane would waive to play in MTL. Pretty sure he has stated that he wants to stay in the US.

I would target Toews. They would have to retain 2.5M. With the uncertainty surrounding Danault resigning in Mtl, he would have to part of the deal. So..

Danault
Drouin
1st
For
Toews with cap retention of 2.5M. Cap hit=8M

 

[Habaholic25]

I don’t think Kane would waive to play in MTL. Pretty sure he has stated that he wants to stay in the US.

I would target Toews. They would have to retain 2.5M. With the uncertainty surrounding Danault resigning in Mtl, he would have to part of the deal. So..

Danault
Drouin
1st
For
Toews with cap retention of 2.5M. Cap hit=8M

I think Kane coming to the Habs is a massive dream yes. Nice to entertain the idea though.

I like Toews too but honestly, I think Danault fits our team better (with Suzuki and KK in the mix) and is cheaper. If I'm going to add a big contract, I would prefer to add Kane vs Toews.