Hartnell

[Ruck Over]

For all the people that lamented the Umberger Hartnell deal, here's the real payoff. This is the last year Umberger will be on our books, for $1.5m. Hartnell will be on the Jackets roster for the next four years, consuming $1.5m, $3m, $1.25m, $1.25m in cap space respectively. Flyers win.

Draft pick received in that trade, 2015 4th rd, also turned into Mikhail Vorobyev.

 

[deadhead]

Well, I wouldn't say the Flyers "won" that trade.

It was the right move for Hextall, because Hartnell wouldn't have made much of a difference the last three years, and he absolutely needed to clear that contract. At the time he didn't know he'd perform the miracle of making Vinnie's contract disappear. And Vorobyov is a nice consulation prize.

But Columbus got three years of Hartnell performing to or above his contract when they were a playoff team (or should have been one), so even though they have to eat the last two years, they also got real value out of the deal.

Sometimes it's not about "winning" trades, but making good deals for both parties.

 

[Protest]

I'd bring him back for 1-2 years for cheap. Put him on the 4th line and 2nd PP. Can move up if there's an injury.

 

[Ruck Over]

Well, I wouldn't say the Flyers "won" that trade.

It was the right move for Hextall, because Hartnell wouldn't have made much of a difference the last three years, and he absolutely needed to clear that contract. At the time he didn't know he'd perform the miracle of making Vinnie's contract disappear. And Vorobyov is a nice consulation prize.

But Columbus got three years of Hartnell performing to or above his contract when they were a playoff team (or should have been one), so even though they have to eat the last two years, they also got real value out of the deal.

Sometimes it's not about "winning" trades, but making good deals for both parties.

I doubt the veracity of your claim Hartnell helped the Jackets win anything of importance. I'm guessing his total salary off set whatever profit was made from the 3 playoff games this year. Not really, but kinda sorta.

Saying the Flyers won is easy, it does not mention anything about the Jackets winning/losing the transaction.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

it was fun at times when he was here before.
time has passed and I would not be crazy about having him back. give me younger guys who can skate and contribute on both ends of the rink.

 

[kelmitchell]

Well, I wouldn't say the Flyers "won" that trade.

It was the right move for Hextall, because Hartnell wouldn't have made much of a difference the last three years, and he absolutely needed to clear that contract. At the time he didn't know he'd perform the miracle of making Vinnie's contract disappear. And Vorobyov is a nice consulation prize.

But Columbus got three years of Hartnell performing to or above his contract when they were a playoff team (or should have been one), so even though they have to eat the last two years, they also got real value out of the deal.

Sometimes it's not about "winning" trades, but making good deals for both parties.

Sounds alot like WE WON that trade

 

[Cyborg LeClair]

Remember how since Hartnell left we've dramatically cut down on penalties taken and also how we're constantly looking to add more speed to our lineup?

Bringing Hartnell back would negate those two areas of progress.

I'll take Jagr tho

 

[Striiker]

The whole "won" or "lost" trade **** is so stupid.

If you get what you wanted out of a trade then it was a good trade, it doesn't matter how good or bad the trade was for the opponent. Two completely separate things that have nothing to do with one another.

 

[ArchAngel55]

There is no room for him.

 

[Alex91]

Williams>Weal>Hartnell>Jagr

The W's I'd take on 2yr deals but the X's I'd prob only be happy with 1 yr med cap deal

 

[Freddy The Fog]

Talk about hitting a wall.

3 goals in his last 40 games.
0 goals in his last 33 games.

Looks like he caught whatever Umberger had.

Seriously.....no. Just no.

 

[Hurricane28]

Wouldn't hate it. Would probably be a positive for the locker room. As long as its cheap and short term

 

[Hockeypete49]

Just say no to Hartnell. He's no longer needed or required. Let Lindblom and Simmonds do the on the PP that Hartnell did.

Agreed. It's time for fresh blood in the line-up. Scott's time here has come and gone. Time to get younger and quicker.

 

[Ruck Over]

The whole "won" or "lost" trade **** is so stupid.

If you get what you wanted out of a trade then it was a good trade, it doesn't matter how good or bad the trade was for the opponent. Two completely separate things that have nothing to do with one another.

Typically yes, but for those that were saying Hextall was foolish for tradubg the then superior player for an inferior one- Hextall made the correct decision to get out from that contract and having that player on the roster for longer than necessary. He was effectively ditched before the experation date.

So maybe the Flyers didn't win the trade, so much as the fans that were fine to see Hartnall go have won the argument with those who lamented the trade with their short shortsightedness. Buying out a player is a team admission of concession.

 

[Lord Defect]

Didn't I read yesterday in another thread that people did not want anyone that takes bad penalties? Now people want someone that takes bad penalties?
No thank you.

 

[The Madrigal]

I love Scotty Hartnell, one of my favorite Flyers ever. He is finished though guys.

 

[Juicy Pop]

Just for 1 year guys!

 

[Flyotes]

He only had 63 PIM this year, was a +14, positive corsi, with 2.42 points per 60, almost 1 assist per 60. Played 78 games. He had 37 points which is what some people here think Nolan will do in his 1st year.

Signing him short term improves the LW depth, which hasn't been good since he left. Lindblom helps if he plays LW. Weal is probably gone.

If you can sign him for peanuts, why not? Probably be willing to work with the Flyers as well.

 

[deadhead]

If you can sign him for peanuts, why not? Probably be willing to work with the Flyers as well.

Hartnell's last 29 games:

0-7 7 and he was basically off the PP for that stretch.

So he's falling off the cliff and is no longer a valuable PP scorer.
At least VdV could play on the PK!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Trying to make a case that Vandevelde is/was better or even comparable to Hartnell is incredibly stupid.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hartnell's last 29 games:

0-7 7 and he was basically off the PP for that stretch.

So he's falling off the cliff and is no longer a valuable PP scorer.
At least VdV could play on the PK!

Just because Hakstol played his son on the PK doesn't mean he belonged there at all.

 

[The Madrigal]

There is no room for him.

There is definitely room for him if he could still play.....

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Filppula - Couturier - Simmonds
Lindblom - Patrick - Konecny
Raffl - Lehtera - Weise
Laughton
Read

......unfortunately he can't anymore.

 

[OzFlyers]

No thanks.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I love Fartsmell and I would welcome him back, but where would he play? I haven't seen a ton of him lately. Can he hang on a top line role these days?

 

[ArchAngel55]

There is definitely room for him if he could still play.....

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Filppula - Couturier - Simmonds
Lindblom - Patrick - Konecny
Raffl - Lehtera - Weise
Laughton
Read

......unfortunately he can't anymore.

So any prospects can rot in the minors or juniors so Hartnell can play for another year and we can feel better about it. All year everyone was hoping they would bring up some of the young d men to see what they have because in the long run it would benefit the team. But I guess it only applies to the defense. It's better to have Hartnell than see what Vecchione, Lindblom, or anyone else can do right? If it doesn't work, what do you do with him? You would be stuck with him. Makes no sense. He scored 0 goals in his last 33 games and was taken off the PP unit.

Just saw you agreed he's done.