No. It’s a 26 year old defencemen. That’s not the same as a 29 year old forward or 33 year old D.
Seems a little lite to me, but not terrible. I'd counter if I was the Flames, but if this is the best they can do... It's a deal you probably make at the last moment before the TDL expires.
You draft and develop and hope for the best. Calgary has a great opportunity to load up and let their staff do the rest.
I agree that Hanifin is diferent than Lindy or Tanev, but keeping Hanifin in a d core with Rasmus and Weegar will not let us bottom out and will keep us mediocre even with a below average forward group. If we were not in need of a rebuld or elite young talent then of course we'd keep Hanifin. But we NEED the elite young talent that comes with high picks or big trades, and Hanifin is one of (if not our best) trade chip. That's why we need to move him.
I'd be asking for Mavrik Bourque, Logan Stankoven, and a 2024 2nd.
As a flames fan, that is just absurd. When has a team ever traded their two blue chip prospects in the same deal? Plus a pick? We'd be lucky to get one of those guys and a pick.
After listening to Eric Francis on today's Jeff Marek show and reading some of the posts and threads around here I'm starting to think that mediocrity is what people in Calgary actually want. They don't want a team that recognizes reality, goes into a rebuild, and comes out the other side a better team. They want a team that's always in a playoff hunt but never Stanley Cup contention.
Just as absurd as any of your proposals. It all depends on how badly they want Hanifin..
Not going to happen.
Find one fan from Dallas or a neutral team that thinks Stankoven+Bourque+2nd for Hanifin is a fair deal. Might be the most biased take I've seen on here. Show me a proposal of mine that comes close to that level of absurdity lol
Not for me. I've live through all those dark years of 'rebuilds' during the 90's and the 2000's. From 1996-97 to 2002-03 there were seven straight years of missing the play-offs. Then we have five goods seasons (with Sutter as Coach for four of them) that came with an all-star goalie. Then we had five more re-build years.
I've followed and studied a lot of rebuilds and not all of them are bad. If the Flames make their 7-8 moves before the deadline and then do the draft and development thing they'll be fine - as long as ownership leaves the GM alone and lets him do his job.
Connor McDavid - 6'0, 194lbs
They wont do 7-8 moves unless you are counting guys like Oesterle and Gilbert as "moves." They will makes 2-4 relevant moves this year and then a few more next year. Teams simply don't have the cap space to add guys like Mangiapane, Coleman, Markstrom, etc and Calgary ownership is not going to allow them to retain on multi year deals
This is all just wrong. We sucked in the late 90's and early 2000's because we had Iggy and no other elite talent. During this time we refused to give our young guys a shot and lost two future HOFers (St. Louis and Giguere) until we finally added the elite players we needed to support Iggy and build a contender (Kipper and Regehr).
The 7-8 trades I'm talking about concern the pending UFAs. When it comes to rebuilding the team each and every one of those trades is relevant. If you don't know who they are go check out Capfriendly. They should all be moved for picks and prospects. And so should Vladar as a spot needs to be freed up for Wolf.
Gilbert, Oesterle, DeSimone, and Rooney (when healthy) simply don't have much trade value at all. They might get a combined 6th rounder in value but more likely future considerations or a throw in with one of the big guys.
I'd actually rather have the defenseman than Bourque. Only Dallas prospect I like more is Stankoven. It still irks me we could have had him in round 2 and instead decided to take Stromgren.
