Proposal: Hamilton - Pastrnak

[Half Clapper]

Isnt the guy that traded him for picks still running the Bruins?

"Hi Don, looks like you traded Dougie for a bunch of busts. We'll give him back for your best young and potential franchise player"

In this deal, it would not make sense, you're right. Do not even think for a second that Hamilton is less valuable than Pastrnak though.

 

[Drew311]

If the Habs are magically able to sign Tavares and make other improvements this off season, I'm never agreeing with Leafs fans again!

You sound like a Leafs fans from 2013.

 

[AuraSphere]

How badly do Calgary fans overvalue Hamilton, this is kind of getting out of hand...

 

[SI90]

Hamilton is a more valuable commodity among GMs in the NHL. Why would they be laughing at acquiring a top 10 right handed D-man?

Because 2 reasons.

1- It was for Pasternak
2- Hamilton wanted out of Boston

 

[DFF]

In this deal, it would not make sense, you're right. Do not even think for a second that Hamilton is less valuable than Pastrnak though.

I like Pastrnak potential...but it's correct at this point, their trade value is not far off.

 

[knifer]

I like Pastrnak potential...but it's correct at this point, their trade value is not far off.

Potential? He just had 70 an 80 point seasons. Hes the real deal and getting better.

 

[belair]

Dougie wants to know if his brother can come, too.

 

[Half Clapper]

How badly do Calgary fans overvalue Hamilton, this is kind of getting out of hand...

He is a number 1 D-man on a steal of a contract. You have to pay a premium price for one of those.

 

[DFF]

Potential? He just had 70 an 80 point seasons. Hes the real deal and getting better.

I know what he did, I meant he has potential to do even more and if he does that his value will be sky high.

If he is stuck at 70 pt range, his value it not higher than a top pairing dman.

 

[knifer]

I think youre overvauling Hamilton just like a bunch of people in this thread. Hes soft and its well known. Thats not what you want in a TOP PAIRING dman( which Hamilton is not).

 

[DFF]

I think youre overvauling Hamilton just like a bunch of people in this thread. Hes soft and its well known. Thats not what you want in a TOP PAIRING dman( which Hamilton is not).

Well, he is not a tough defensive dman. That doesnt mean he is soft. There are few at his age that can generate more offense. There is no doubt he is a f***ing top pairing dman.

 

[Drew311]

I think Pastrnak is a good young player, but his production is someone tied to playing with Marchand and Bergeron. They tried him on the 2nd line this year and it didn't work out so well for him. Considering what a top pairing defenseman goes for these days, the value is pretty even. An argument can be made that Hamilton could command more considering Pastrnak is a winger.

 

[Half Clapper]

I think youre overvauling Hamilton just like a bunch of people in this thread. Hes soft and its well known. Thats not what you want in a TOP PAIRING dman( which Hamilton is not).

He is a number 1 d-man and there should not even be a debate about it. I can pull up some advanced stats if you want? Just to further prove my point.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He is a number 1 D-man on a steal of a contract. You have to pay a premium price for one of those.

He's a #1D in the same sense that Krug is (aka only one end of the ice). Pastrnak is also on an even better contract, 4 years younger, and while already being PPG he still has plenty of room to grow.

 

[knifer]

I think Pastrnak is a good young player, but his production is someone tied to playing with Marchand and Bergeron. They tried him on the 2nd line this year and it didn't work out so well for him. Considering what a top pairing defenseman goes for these days, the value is pretty even. An argument can be made that Hamilton could command more considering Pastrnak is a winger.

Argument to be made? Only by flame fans its seems like. I think Marchand and Bergerons production is tied to playing with Pastrnak.

 

[Half Clapper]

He's a #1D in the same sense that Krug is (aka only one end of the ice). Pastrnak is also on an even better contract, 4 years younger, and while already being PPG he still has plenty of room to grow.

I can't comment on Krug because I rarely watch him play, but Hamilton is solid in his own zone. I do not know where you got that from?

 

[flamesforcup]

Hamiltons getting overrated by alot of my fellow flames fans. He doesnt come close to Pastarnak

 

[Half Clapper]

Hamiltons getting overrated by alot of my fellow flames fans. He doesnt come close to Pastarnak

Pasta plays with the best defensive center in the NHL and a beast in Marchand. I think if anything Pasta is getting overrated here. I would like to see Pasta drive a line by himself like the top NHL wingers do.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I can't comment on Krug because I rarely watch him play, but Hamilton is solid in his own zone. I do not know where you got that from?

When you're 3rd in both ES and overall ice time per game for D on a bad defensive team, it's very hard to believe you're a #1D. He's seconds above Hamonic 5/5.

 

[flamesforcup]

Pasta plays with the best defensive center in the NHL and a beast in Marchand. I think if anything Pasta is getting overrated here. I would like to see Pasta drive a line by himself like the top NHL wingers do.

Hamilton also is very below average defensively and gets carried by Giordano

 

[DFF]

When you're 3rd in both ES and overall ice time per game for D on a bad defensive team, it's very hard to believe you're a #1D. He's seconds above Hamonic 5/5.

I wouldnt say the Flames is a bad defensive team. They are in the middle of the pack, could have been better except for some blown out by bad goaltending and Smith's injury.

Also not sure why people pick on Hamilton defense. That is not his strength. His value is on offense and he doesnt play a terrible defensive game. That's all you can ask from most offensive dmen.

 

[Half Clapper]

Hamilton also is very below average defensively and gets carried by Giordano

will agree to disagree on this one.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I haven't read any posts in this thread but I imagine the fundamental question is why would Boston want to trade a top player who wanted out of Boston?

 

[Half Clapper]

When you're 3rd in both ES and overall ice time per game for D on a bad defensive team, it's very hard to believe you're a #1D. He's seconds above Hamonic 5/5.

The flames problem was not their defense last year. If you actually watched the team play, you would know that. For I think a two-three month period they gave up the least amount of goals in the league. I forgot how long it was exactly.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The flames problem was not their defense last year. If you actually watched the team play, you would know that. For I think a two-three month period they gave up the least amount of goals in the league last year. I forgot how long it was exactly.

Which adresses that he was 3rd in ice-time how, exactly?