Proposal: Habs wheeling and dealing at deadline

[Qwijibo]

I know Canucks fans would kill me, but I wonder if theirs anything that could be built around a Garland for Anderson (with retention]) trade.

Garland

for

4th
Anderson with 35% retained? Would land Anderson around 3.65M

Would add some grit to the Canucks and create a bit of cap space.

Zero interest in Garland. Especially if you're expecting Montreal to retain on top of it. That would essentially mean Montreal would be paying $6.8m of thier cap for Garland. Think about that.

 

[TFHockey]

I'd bet Montreal gets a better offer elsewhere, though.

The retention could easily be done through a 3d team for a 5th rounder if Montreal wants to keep its last slot for Pearson or someone with a contract next season (Allen, Dvorak, Savard).

I posted something similar on another thread; Monahan (no retention) for McLeod and a pick or a prospect. I suggested Savoie but Habs fans know more organizationally what they need than I do.

I don't see Holland moving Broberg in a deal for just a 3C though.

Wait, wait wait.

Monahan (3C) + Montembeault ($2.985 Million cap hit moving out) + Wild's 3rd 2023

for

McLeod (3C) + Broberg ($2.963 Million cap hit moving out)

Oilers are missing a 3rd rounder in this years draft, the Habs have two.

That might actually work.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Habs wheelin' and dealin' with used cars over 200kms on them and aren't saftied.

 

[Scintillating10]

Without retention, I would let him go for a 3rd round pick and thank you.

You might but doubt Hughes doesn't. When he gave Allen that big raise part of it is because he good at coaching young goalie. Look at increase in Montembeault also Billington when Allen was with Blues.

 

[Qwijibo]

I posted something similar on another thread; Monahan (no retention) for McLeod and a pick or a prospect. I suggested Savoie but Habs fans know more organizationally what they need than I do.

I don't see Holland moving Broberg in a deal for just a 3C though.

Wait, wait wait.

Monahan (3C) + Montembeault ($2.985 Million cap hit moving out) + Wild's 3rd 2023

for

McLeod (3C) + Broberg ($2.963 Million cap hit moving out)

Oilers are missing a 3rd rounder in this years draft, the Habs have two.

That might actually work.

Brutal for Montreal. Why would you think they'd consider this crap?

So you'd like them to solve your goaltending and 3C issue, take a cap dump In Mcleod AND add a 3rd.....for Broberg. Lmao

 

[TFHockey]

Brutal for Montreal. Why would you think they'd consider this crap?

So you'd like them to solve your goaltending and 3C issue, take a cap dump In Mcleod AND add a 3rd.....for Broberg. Lmao

It depends on how you value Broberg.

I am willing to move him but Holland and Co. seem to think he is still a top 4 guy in development. Can the Oilers wait? They should be in win now mode so their best defensive prospect should be available.

However if you're leaning towards Broberg not ever fulfilling his potential (and he is 22 so there is that concern starting to grow) then he isn't a piece you should want. Fair.

Montembeault would run as a back up here. He doesn't solve the goaltending issue but he is an upgrade on Pickard, that is for sure. So from the Oilers perspective they're moving a 3C for a better 3C, their best defensive prospect who isn't a blue chipper anymore for a back up and a mid pick.

This seems like a legit trade to me, but if Broberg is of no interest to the Habs (and he does come with question marks, so that's fair) I get it.

 

[Qwijibo]

It depends on how you value Broberg.

I am willing to move him but Holland and Co. seem to think he is still a top 4 guy in development. Can the Oilers wait? They should be in win now mode so their best defensive prospect should be available.

However if you're leaning towards Broberg not ever fulfilling his potential (and he is 22 so there is that concern starting to grow) then he isn't a piece you should want. Fair.

Montembeault would run as a back up here. He doesn't solve the goaltending issue but he is an upgrade on Pickard, that is for sure. So from the Oilers perspective they're moving a 3C for a better 3C, their best defensive prospect who isn't a blue chipper anymore for a back up and a mid pick.

This seems like a legit trade to me, but if Broberg is of no interest to the Habs (and he does come with question marks, so that's fair) I get it.

Neither guy you offered have value to Montreal. McLeod isn't an upgrade on Dvorak (or Evans frankly) and Montreal are flush with young defencemen. Its meaningless what Edmonton would see Montembeault and Monahan as. Montembeault is Montreaks best goalie and Monahan is playing 2C. You want them to take on 2 redundant players that add no value and pay a 3rd to come away as a much worse team

 

[TFHockey]

Neither guy you offered have value to Montreal. McLeod isn't an upgrade on Dvorak (or Evans frankly) and Montreal are flush with young defencemen. Its meaningless what Edmonton would see Montembeault and Monahan as. Montembeault is Montreaks best goalie and Monahan is playing 2C. You want them to take on 2 redundant players that add no value and pay a 3rd to come away as a much worse team

Hang on a sec, doesn't Monahan play behind Suzuki and Dvorak? Isn't he in the 3C role in Montreal?

When I check Puck IQ and see the TOI vs. Elite and Middle competition Monahan isn't even close to Dvorak. I think you're full of B.S. dude.

 

[Chose]

Hang on a sec, doesn't Monahan play behind Suzuki and Dvorak? Isn't he in the 3C role in Montreal?

When I check Puck IQ and see the TOI vs. Elite and Middle competition Monahan isn't even close to Dvorak. I think you're full of B.S. dude.

I think MTL is showcasing Dvorak. There is no way your evaluation of both players is that Dvorak is a better player because he has more TOI than Monahan. Give it time, and Monahan will definatly be moved to 2C or even 1RW.

Monahan is fragile 2C on friendly contract value.
Dvorak is 3C on generous contract value.
No matter how you spin it.

 

[Qwijibo]

Hang on a sec, doesn't Monahan play behind Suzuki and Dvorak? Isn't he in the 3C role in Montreal?

When I check Puck IQ and see the TOI vs. Elite and Middle competition Monahan isn't even close to Dvorak. I think you're full of B.S. dude.

Monahan is averaging 18:13 TOI per game. Dvorak is at 15:55. That's according to the NHL stats page. So who's full of BS?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Monahan is averaging 18:13 TOI per game. Dvorak is at 15:55. That's according to the NHL stats page. So who's full of BS?

I would be very wary of Monahan specifically because his numbers are getting juiced with his 4 minutes of powerplay time a night. Of his six goals, only one of them has come at evens.

He only plays 12:35 at even strength, so yes, he's a 3C and powerplay specialist. He'd maybe get a minute a night on the PP here if he was lucky, because PP2 barely plays.

 

[Qwijibo]

I would be very wary of Monahan specifically because his numbers are getting juiced with his 4 minutes of powerplay time a night. Of his six goals, only one of them has come at evens.

He only plays 12:35 at even strength, so yes, he's a 3C and powerplay specialist. He'd maybe get a minute a night on the PP here if he was lucky, because PP2 barely plays.

Cool. So don't trade for him. He's obviously not a need. If Montreal decides to move him there will be significant interest in him. Someone will offer value. It's no big deal if Edmonton isn't that team.

 

[TFHockey]

I think MTL is showcasing Dvorak. There is no way your evaluation of both players is that Dvorak is a better player because he has more TOI than Monahan. Give it time, and Monahan will definatly be moved to 2C or even 1RW.

Monahan is fragile 2C on friendly contract value.
Dvorak is 3C on generous contract value.
No matter how you spin it.

Well, I mean I am trying to figure out what Monahan is doing in Montreal and how he is being deployed.

His TOI vs. Elite and Middle talent would indicate he isn't playing a 2C role. Like at all. Maybe the reason for this is Dvorak is being given a chance to shine for trade value. That happens, sure.

I know for a fact Monahan wouldn't sniff 2C duties in Edmonton. They are looking to upgrade the 3C position because McLeod, while fast as lightning, isn't getting it done. He's been brutal this year which is disappointing because he was good last year.

Any trade with Edmonton means money in has to equal money out. So McLeod would have to go in this kind of deal. If Broberg isn't desired by Montreal (and that is a different conversation, but I won't argue with you, a lot of question marks there) who would fit the bill?

No one is asking Montreal to take on cap dumps like Campbell.

 

[Qwijibo]

Well, I mean I am trying to figure out what Monahan is doing in Montreal and how he is being deployed.

His TOI vs. Elite and Middle talent would indicate he isn't playing a 2C role. Like at all. Maybe the reason for this is Dvorak is being given a chance to shine for trade value. That happens, sure.

I know for a fact Monahan wouldn't sniff 2C duties in Edmonton. They are looking to upgrade the 3C position because McLeod, while fast as lightning, isn't getting it done. He's been brutal this year which is disappointing because he was good last year.

Any trade with Edmonton means money in has to equal money out. So McLeod would have to go in this kind of deal. If Broberg isn't desired by Montreal (and that is a different conversation, but I won't argue with you, a lot of question marks there) who would fit the bill?

No one is asking Montreal to take on cap dumps like Campbell.

It sounds like Edmonton and Montreal just aren't a match for a trade here. You need them to take a 2 year cap dump in McLeod and don't really have anything to offer that fills a need for the Habs.

 

[Gally999]

This seems like a legit trade to me, but if Broberg is of no interest to the Habs (and he does come with question marks, so that's fair) I get it.

Oh, yeah, it's a legit trade. Monahan is a good 3C but he won't be in the team in the future, we love Sam M. because he's a good guy, a really good 2, but as you said, he won't solve your net issue, and finally Broberg is a really good prospect. For me the only reason it won't be a "good" deal for Montreal is the depth we have for the LD. Matheson, Guhle, Lane Hutson, Xhekaj, Strubble, Engström. Even if he can play RD, now with Reinbacher and Mailloux we just have one spot (if Savard leaves). Of course Broberg is already better than a lot of them, but i don't know in 1-2 years if he would be top4, especially on the left side.

 

[TFHockey]

Oh, yeah, it's a legit trade. Monahan is a good 3C but he won't be in the team in the future, we love Sam M. because he's a good guy, a really good 2, but as you said, he won't solve your net issue, and finally Broberg is a really good prospect. For me the only reason it won't be a "good" deal for Montreal is the depth we have for the LD. Matheson, Guhle, Lane Hutson, Xhekaj, Strubble, Engström. Even if he can play RD, now with Reinbacher and Mailloux we just have one spot (if Savard leaves). Of course Broberg is already better than a lot of them, but i don't know in 1-2 years if he would be top4, especially on the left side.

That's fair. What does Montreal need in the way of prospects positionally?

McLeod will fill in your 3C role well enough after Monahan's absence creates a hole. I wouldn't label him a cap dump after the year he had last year but this season he has been playing on the peripheral way too much to be effective.

If the ask is Bourgault + McLeod for Monahan and Monty I think the pick has to be better than a 3rd.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It sounds like Edmonton and Montreal just aren't a match for a trade here. You need them to take a 2 year cap dump in McLeod and don't really have anything to offer that fills a need for the Habs.

you get so upset when people call Monahan a 3C but you call a 24 year old off to a slow start a cap dump?

McLeod is very strong defensively and his underlying numbers are elite. Trading him at all, never mind as a "cap dump" would be a mistake on our parts.

 

[Qwijibo]

That's fair. What does Montreal need in the way of prospects positionally?

McLeod will fill in your 3C role well enough after Monahan's absence creates a hole. I wouldn't label him a cap dump after the year he had last year but this season he has been playing on the peripheral way too much to be effective.

If the ask is Bourgault + McLeod for Monahan and Monty I think the pick has to be better than a 3rd.

You realize that hockey pundits have suggested a realistic trade is Bourgault for Montembeault right? But you think Montreal should take a 2 year cap dump, add a 2/3c in Monahan and add a high pick on top. To get Bourgault? Does he crap golden eggs or something?

you get so upset when people call Monahan a 3C but you call a 24 year old off to a slow start a cap dump?

McLeod is very strong defensively and his underlying numbers are elite. Trading him at all, never mind as a "cap dump" would be a mistake on our parts.

Once again. If it's not a fit it's not a fit. Explain to me what value McLeod offers to Montreal when they have Suzuki, Dach. Newhook, Dvorak and Evans (plus Beck to come)

 

[pth2]

...If Broberg isn't desired by Montreal (and that is a different conversation, but I won't argue with you, a lot of question marks there) who would fit the bill?
.

Picks and forwards are needs, but on D Montreal is looking at trading decent young NHLers because there are many coming up. It'll be an issue by the end of the season. The pickings are thinner up front (with twice the roster slots).

So Broberg, regardless of what people think of him specifically, isn't a fit.

You realize that hockey pundits have suggested a realistic trade is Bourgault for Montembeault right? But you think Montreal should take a 2 year cap dump, add a 2/3c in Monahan and add a high pick on top. To get Bourgault? Does he crap golden eggs or something?


Once again. If it's not a fit it's not a fit. Explain to me what value McLeod offers to Montreal when they have Suzuki, Dach. Newhook, Dvorak and Evans (plus Beck to come)

McLeod could return as a cap equalizer, and filler at C until summertime means management can fill gaps... but clearly he isn't of interest as primary return.

 

[pth2]

If the ask is Bourgault + McLeod for Monahan and Monty I think the pick has to be better than a 3rd.

For sure. Montreal might want Pickard thrown in to have depth at G. But the pick still needs to be improved.

 

[Qwijibo]

For sure. Montreal might want Pickard thrown in to have depth at G. But the pick still needs to be improved.

He's asking for Montréal to include a high pick. Not the other way around.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Monahan is averaging 18:13 TOI per game. Dvorak is at 15:55. That's according to the NHL stats page. So who's full of BS?

No way to know why MSL is playing Dovorak on the 2nd line but Monahan is 2c level.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

you get so upset when people call Monahan a 3C but you call a 24 year old off to a slow start a cap dump?

McLeod is very strong defensively and his underlying numbers are elite. Trading him at all, never mind as a "cap dump" would be a mistake on our parts.

Unless McLeod is an enforcer and a power forward he is of no use to Montreal.

 

[TFHockey]

Picks and forwards are needs, but on D Montreal is looking at trading decent young NHLers because there are many coming up. It'll be an issue by the end of the season. The pickings are thinner up front (with twice the roster slots).

So Broberg, regardless of what people think of him specifically, isn't a fit.


McLeod could return as a cap equalizer, and filler at C until summertime means management can fill gaps... but clearly he isn't of interest as primary return.

Thanks for the salient point on Broberg.

Yeah for a trade between these two teams around Monahan McLeod has to get moved. Neither team really has a ton of space so I tried to keep the dollars as equal as possible.

So a forward prospect is a bigger want for the Habs than anyone on D, so maybe guys like Bourgault and/or to a lesser extent Savioe should be part of the package, along with Pickard. Makes sense.

We can debate who adds a pick and where but as for this:

You realize that hockey pundits have suggested a realistic trade is Bourgault for Montembeault right? But you think Montreal should take a 2 year cap dump, add a 2/3c in Monahan and add a high pick on top. To get Bourgault? Does he crap golden eggs or something?

That might be the ask from Montreal but as you may have noted no trade has been made. You know why? This is ripping off the Oilers. No way Holland says yes to that.

 

[Qwijibo]

Thanks for the salient point on Broberg.

Yeah for a trade between these two teams around Monahan McLeod has to get moved. Neither team really has a ton of space so I tried to keep the dollars as equal as possible.

So a forward prospect is a bigger want for the Habs than anyone on D, so maybe guys like Bourgault and/or to a lesser extent Savioe should be part of the package, along with Pickard. Makes sense.

We can debate who adds a pick and where but as for this:




That might be the ask from Montreal but as you may have noted no trade has been made. You know why? This is ripping off the Oilers. No way Holland says yes to that.

Your suggested trade is a MUCH bigger rip off of Montreal. Let's just agree that there's no deal to be made with these pieces. You're vastly undervaluing Montreals pieces and offering nothing that actually improves the team or franchise in return. Montreal is actively trying to re-sign Montembeault. So I don't they're interested in dumping him for a meaningless return. And whether you see Monahan as a 2c or 3c the fact us that he can contribute offensively, is excellent in the faceoff circle, and has a budget friendly contract. If Montreal shops him there will be significant interest and your offer wouldn't be close to what other teams would likely offer